Eternal "Universe"

[Péstenoire]

The concept of Universe is "huge". Let's say i'm meaning for Universe:

"The space in which we find everything that exists and where possible phenomenons may happen."

Given this statement, i always wondered why this "universe" need a starting point.
Maybe because, since we are born, we are used to see that everything around us has a starting point and perhaps an ending point?

What i mean is: Is it really necessary to find a point in time when the universe "started to be"/was created etc. (based on your faith)?

What if the Universe is eternal and a simple continuous cycle of particles in movement compose all of this?

 

[dyanaprajna2011]

That's pretty much my views as well. I don't think it's necessary to assert that the universe had a starting point. If we can imagine that one thing is eternally existing (i.e., god), then why not something else (i.e., the universe)?

 

[Tumah]

The concept of Universe is "huge". Let's say i'm meaning for Universe:

"The space in which we find everything that exists and where possible phenomenons may happen."

Given this statement, i always wondered why this "universe" need a starting point.
Maybe because, since we are born, we are used to see that everything around us has a starting point and perhaps an ending point?

What i mean is: Is it really necessary to find a point in time when the universe "started to be"/was created etc. (based on your faith)?

What if the Universe is eternal and a simple continuous cycle of particles in movement compose all of this?

I fairly certain that science has been of the opinion that the universe has a beginning as well. That's the Big Bang. I mean, until you get into Brane Cosmology at least. But the present universe at least does seem to have a beginning.

 

[Péstenoire]

Yeah i know that, but i mean something different.

The Big Bang is the beginning of THIS universe. This doesn't prove that prior to that a Big Crounch could have ended the universe before this one, and so on.

Assuming this could be true, my real question is: Is a particular entity really needed to make this cycle start? Or it can just be an eternal cycle.

Sorry for my english and if what i write isn't the best to comprehend.

 

[Jainarayan]

Is a particular entity really needed to make this cycle start? Or it can just be an eternal cycle.

No entity needed, eternal cycle. I think this universe is just one of an infinite number of universes that exist, have existed and will exist. I don't believe the process of these universes popping in and out of existence ever had (or needed to have) a beginning or end. It's kind of trippy, but that's my cosmology based on Hinduism and Buddhism.

 

[ametist]

It is more related with time and linear property of it.

 

[Péstenoire]

I think this universe is just one of an infinite number of universes that exist, have existed and will exist. I don't believe the process of these universes popping in and out of existence ever had (or needed to have) a beginning or end. It's kind of trippy, but that's my cosmology based on Hinduism and Buddhism.

That's it!

I jumped to this conclusion some years ago, but i didn't know it has anything to do with Hinduism and Buddhism, since my knowledge of both those is almost none.

 

[Man of Faith]

I read a history book that said that the universe had a beginning and then later science confirmed that. If I read the book and it said the universe has always been I would be okay with that. I'm okay with whatever is in the history book. I don't necessarily have to have it one way or the other.

 

[Objective Qualia]

If time as we know it began with the initial expansion of the big bang, then it would be fair to say the universe always existed in one form or another. At leasts that's my understanding of the current model of the universe.

 

[FranklinMichaelV.3]

If time as we know it began with the initial expansion of the big bang, then it would be fair to say the universe always existed in one form or another. At leasts that's my understanding of the current model of the universe.

I always figured that it was a state change, there was a singularity and that singularity underwent an expansion that gives us what we have now.

 

[Péstenoire]

Many of you got my point i suppose.
What science says nowadays is that there was a Big Bang from which the universe we live in originated.
I think we all (or at least, we mostly do) agree on this.
But i'm referring to something "bigger".

What in fact, if the start of our universe is the end of another universe?

I don't know if there is something scientific which denies this possibility.
Also, if i didn't misunderstand a comment above, this cycle of "universes" has anything to do, or recalls something in some religious cosmology?

 

[Sees]

Many of you got my point i suppose.
What science says nowadays is that there was a Big Bang from which the universe we live in originated.
I think we all (or at least, we mostly do) agree on this.
But i'm referring to something "bigger".

What in fact, if the start of our universe is the end of another universe?

I don't know if there is something scientific which denies this possibility.
Also, if i didn't misunderstand a comment above, this cycle of "universes" has anything to do, or recalls something in some religious cosmology?

Many traditions from all over the earth speak of an eternal universe that has cycles.

To me, it could it be any other way logically.

 

[Parsimony]

Maybe the cycle is a loop and we've all had this conversation before an infinite number of times.

 

[Sees]

Maybe the cycle is a loop and we've all had this conversation before an infinite number of times.

Possibly...a few months ago my wife, kids, and I all heard my own voice from a different part of the house say, "hey, babe..." Which is something I often say. My daughter and wife both responded to it while I was going to see if they were watching a birthday video or something with me in it and it tripped me out :areyoucra they were in a different room reading a book.

Edit: the other way to take it, parallel universes/dimensions

 

[Jainarayan]

Edit: the other way to take it, parallel universes/dimensions

I think that explains the "now you see it, now you don't" phenomenon. That is, other dimensions or universes intersecting with our own. For example, you see someone who was not there a second ago, or someone walks into you that you did not even see, and then they disappear. I've had this happen. It's also something proposed by Dr. Michio Kaku.

 

[Sees]

I think that explains the "now you see it, now you don't" phenomenon. That is, other dimensions or universes intersecting with our own. For example, you see someone who was not there a second ago, or someone walks into you that you did not even see, and then they disappear. I've had this happen. It's also something proposed by Dr. Michio Kaku.

And places where mythical type beings may exist like Bigfoot, gnomes, etc. for sure. I don't think it is mass universal delusion by any means. People with "second sight" and through types of journey-work can discover, communicate, see, etc.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

No entity needed, eternal cycle. I think this universe is just one of an infinite number of universes that exist, have existed and will exist. I don't believe the process of these universes popping in and out of existence ever had (or needed to have) a beginning or end. It's kind of trippy, but that's my cosmology based on Hinduism and Buddhism.

That's my view of it, too. :yes:

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Possibly...a few months ago my wife, kids, and I all heard my own voice from a different part of the house say, "hey, babe..." Which is something I often say. My daughter and wife both responded to it while I was going to see if they were watching a birthday video or something with me in it and it tripped me out :areyoucra they were in a different room reading a book.

Edit: the other way to take it, parallel universes/dimensions

Lol. That's awesome. Probably another universe bleeding over into ours.

 

[Sees]

Lol. That's awesome. Probably another universe bleeding over into ours.

Yeah I've had more than a few strange or "impossible" experiences and at least a handful of'em very obvious with other witnesses...preventing counting them all as delusional some crazy stuff resembling old legends and myths

Some take it as maybe food poisoning, gas leak, or me trying to sell something I'm sure... People are scared of uncertainty and mysteriousness.

 

[Jainarayan]

And places where mythical type beings may exist like Bigfoot, gnomes, etc. for sure. I don't think it is mass universal delusion by any means. People with "second sight" and through types of journey-work can discover, communicate, see, etc.

I started to think along those lines when I read The Celestine Prophecy. Granted, it is a work of fiction, but...