Eternal "Universe"

[Penumbra]

I just stick with evidence.

The evidence is, there was a Big Bang, and the universe expanded from a singularity. Even asking what happened "before" it doesn't quite make sense, because spacetime itself is what expanded.

Beyond that, who knows. There could be others, maybe infinite others, or maybe none. And it's unsure of how and why it occurred.

What in fact, if the start of our universe is the end of another universe?

I don't know if there is something scientific which denies this possibility.

There is one point.

It used to be a theory that perhaps the universe expands and contracts upon itself, perhaps like Hindu cosmology. A cyclical universe, in other words. This doesn't look likely, after further exploration, because the rate of expansion is accelerating rather than decelerating, meaning it seems that it'll rip itself apart rather than pull itself together with gravity again. But that still doesn't rule out a multiverse model.

 

[adi2d]

I think I fell into an episode of 'FRINGE'

 

[Parsimony]

I think that explains the "now you see it, now you don't" phenomenon. That is, other dimensions or universes intersecting with our own. For example, you see someone who was not there a second ago, or someone walks into you that you did not even see, and then they disappear. I've had this happen. It's also something proposed by Dr. Michio Kaku.

Perhaps something akin to John Napier's "Goblin Universe"?

 

[InvestigateTruth]

The concept of Universe is "huge". Let's say i'm meaning for Universe:

"The space in which we find everything that exists and where possible phenomenons may happen."

Given this statement, i always wondered why this "universe" need a starting point.
Maybe because, since we are born, we are used to see that everything around us has a starting point and perhaps an ending point?

What i mean is: Is it really necessary to find a point in time when the universe "started to be"/was created etc. (based on your faith)?

What if the Universe is eternal and a simple continuous cycle of particles in movement compose all of this?

That's close to what Baha'i Scriptures states:

"....In this way cycles begin, end and are renewed, until a universal cycle is completed in the world, when important events and great occurrences will take place which entirely efface every trace and every record of the past; then a new universal cycle begins in the world, for this universe has no beginning."

"Know that it is one of the most abstruse spiritual truths that the world of existence—that is to say, this endless universe—has no beginning."

Abdulbaha, Some Answered Questions

 

[Jainarayan]

Perhaps something akin to John Napier's "Goblin Universe"?

Yes, very interesting. And from my p.o.v. and beliefs, not implausible. You know, J.B.S. Haldane said "The universe is not only queerer than we imagine; it is queerer than we can imagine", but often attributed to Sir Arthur Eddington and Arthur C. Clarke.

 

[camanintx]

The concept of Universe is "huge". Let's say i'm meaning for Universe:

"The space in which we find everything that exists and where possible phenomenons may happen."

Given this statement, i always wondered why this "universe" need a starting point.
Maybe because, since we are born, we are used to see that everything around us has a starting point and perhaps an ending point?

What i mean is: Is it really necessary to find a point in time when the universe "started to be"/was created etc. (based on your faith)?

What if the Universe is eternal and a simple continuous cycle of particles in movement compose all of this?

The problem with a universe that doesn't have a beginning is that we can never get to the present. One way to eliminate this problem is to realize that time is nothing more than a human concept for measuring change and not a physical property of the universe. An unchanging universe could exist indefinitely until something like the Big Bang sets change into motion. The universe could then be said to have a beginning and also eternal.

 

[shawn001]

Many of you got my point i suppose.
What science says nowadays is that there was a Big Bang from which the universe we live in originated.
I think we all (or at least, we mostly do) agree on this.
But i'm referring to something "bigger".

What in fact, if the start of our universe is the end of another universe?

I don't know if there is something scientific which denies this possibility.
Also, if i didn't misunderstand a comment above, this cycle of "universes" has anything to do, or recalls something in some religious cosmology?

The big crunch has been ruled out by observations of the current universe speed of expansion.


also worth watching.

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Universe or Multiverse - Documentary - YouTube

 

[shawn001]

How Will the Universe End?

How Will the Universe End?

Right now its looking more like the "Big Freeze"

"Despite the poetic beauty of fire, however, current observations favor an icy end to our universe – a Big Freeze. Scientists believe that we live in a spatially flat universe whose expansion is accelerating due to the presence of dark energy; however, the total energy density of the cosmos is most likely less than or equal to the so-called “critical density,” so there will be no Big Rip. Instead, the contents of the universe will eventually drift prohibitively far away from each other and heat and energy exchange will cease. The cosmos will have reached a state of maximum entropy, and no life will be able to survive. Depressing and a bit anti-climactic? Perhaps. But it probably won’t be perceptible until the universe is at least twice its current age.

Cosmology 101: The End


This goes through the timeline for what the future might hold in store for the universe.

The End of Everything

The End of Everything

 

[nazz]

What i mean is: Is it really necessary to find a point in time when the universe "started to be"/was created etc. (based on your faith)?

Yes but it has nothing to do with faith and everything to do with logic. But that as far as I will debate this subject (sorry). Also, if by universe you mean this one we are in even scientific evidence indicates it had a beginning.

 

[nazz]

Many of you got my point i suppose.
What science says nowadays is that there was a Big Bang from which the universe we live in originated.
I think we all (or at least, we mostly do) agree on this.
But i'm referring to something "bigger".

What in fact, if the start of our universe is the end of another universe?

There would still need to be a first one. It's easy to imagine that is not the case if you don't think about it too hard. But when you do you realize that's logically impossible.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

The existence has always existed, because before it there wasn't existence.

 

[Enai de a lukal]

There would still need to be a first one. It's easy to imagine that is not the case if you don't think about it too hard. But when you do you realize that's logically impossible.

No. There is no contradiction in an infinite regress; contrary to what, e.g. Craig, appears to think, showing that infinite collections lead to bizarre or counter-intuitive results is not the same as deriving an actual contradiction. No one has done so yet. And since there is no contradiction, it is logically possible, by definition. And not only is it entirely possible, its fairly plausible as well.