European Union: the lounge-loving and elitist Left has been defeated

[Estro Felino]

You are not Europe and neither am I. The difference seems to be that only one of us knows that.

Yes.
But I also said that the Russophobic nonsense and the anti-Putin propaganda would unleash Nationalism and Populism all over Europe...and you guys didn't believe me.
Didn't you see what has just happened in France?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Yes.
But I also said that the Russophobic nonsense and the anti-Putin propaganda would unleash Nationalism and Populism all over Europe...and you guys didn't believe me.
Didn't you see what has just happened in France?

Well, I understand that differently.

 

[Estro Felino]

Well, I understand that differently.

The French voted for RN also because they are disappointed in Macron and in his pro-war speeches.
The French people are disgusted by war because WW2 traumatized them.

 

[Estro Felino]

They could probably accomplish the same thing without nationalism. Nationalism can be dangerous.

Honestly I suspect that it's some banking élites overseas who hired the Nazis in the forties. They hired them to conquer and undo the Soviet Union.

 

[Koldo]

What do you think of the banking élites?

What about them? Why do you have to make everything about them?

 

[Magic Man]

Yes, it is. But not this one. Not the American Democratic Party, for example.

No, the left is for the people, including the American Democratic party. The big problem is the fact that the right has successfully convinced people like you that they are actually for the people, while "the left" is not. Meanwhile the right work for the billionaires and keep rigging the system more and more for them.

Populism literally means "of the people".

Right-wing populism isn't actually for the people, though. It just uses that to gain power.

 

[Stevicus]

Yes, it is. But not this one. Not the American Democratic Party, for example.

Populism literally means "of the people".

I don't think the U.S. Democratic Party can be considered "left wing." At one point, they had a preponderance of progressives and others of a leftish bent which might have made them seem more left than they are now (or were, prior to the 1920s and 30s). But they're not the party of FDR or JFK anymore. Not even close. (But neither is the GOP the party of Abraham Lincoln or Teddy Roosevelt anymore. Not even close.)

Populism seems more a matter of "pleasing the mob." Although it could be a matter of "working the crowd" and being able to persuade the mob to go along with something. It's a matter of riling people up. It seems some people have a certain knack or ability along those lines.

 

[Magic Man]

Nationalism brings nations together.

No, nationalism does the exact opposite. By definition, it's about putting your own nation first.

Now European nations love each other because they understood that their common deadly enemy is the financial and banking élites.
Some commentator in my country said: this is vote of pure hatred. Against the banking and financial élites who push for WW3.

Except the "elites" love right-wing populism and nationalism. They're often behind it.

 

[Estro Felino]

What about them? Why do you have to make everything about them?

Because the EU is about them.
It's a banking dictatorship which will be soon dismantled.

 

[Magic Man]

I don't think the U.S. Democratic Party can be considered "left wing." At one point, they had a preponderance of progressives and others of a leftish bent which might have made them seem more left than they are now (or were, prior to the 1920s and 30s). But they're not the party of FDR or JFK anymore. Not even close. (But neither is the GOP the party of Abraham Lincoln or Teddy Roosevelt anymore. Not even close.)

Yeah, these days they're more centrist, even center-right. Most of them don't even support universal healthcare, which is still considered a "far left" idea here.

Populism seems more a matter of "pleasing the mob." Although it could be a matter of "working the crowd" and being able to persuade the mob to go along with something. It's a matter of riling people up. It seems some people have a certain knack or ability along those lines.

Exactly. It's not actually "for the people". It's more about using the people to gain power.

 

[Magic Man]

Because the EU is about them.
It's a banking dictatorship which will be soon dismantled.

The EU is not a banking dictatorship. If you don't like the wealthy controlling things, though, you shouldn't be rooting for the right.

 

[Estro Felino]

No, nationalism does the exact opposite. By definition, it's about putting your own nation first.

But not to the detriment of other nations.

 

[Estro Felino]

The EU is not a banking dictatorship. If you don't like the wealthy controlling things, though, you shouldn't be rooting for the right.

There are so many wealthy people who aren't bankers.

 

[Koldo]

Yes.
But I also said that the Russophobic nonsense and the anti-Putin propaganda would unleash Nationalism and Populism all over Europe...and you guys didn't believe me.
Didn't you see what has just happened in France?

It has zilch to do with Russia.
And everything to do with the anti-immigration sentiment that has been on the rise.

 

[icehorse]

Also, the fact that the far right is gaining popularity around the world is extremely concerning.

I think it's a natural outcome of "progressives" becoming extreme in the other direction.

 

[Koldo]

Because the EU is about them.
It's a banking dictatorship which will be soon dismantled.

Source?

 

[Estro Felino]

Source?

It has zilch to do with Russia.
And everything to do with the anti-immigration sentiment that has been on the rise.

I remind you that your president refused to meet Zelenskyy when he visited South America.

I hope you also know the reason why he (wisely) did that. https://tass.com/world/1719147

Maybe you don't understand that I don't side with the likes of Milei. I side with the likes of Lula.

 

[Magic Man]

Yes.
But I also said that the Russophobic nonsense and the anti-Putin propaganda would unleash Nationalism and Populism all over Europe...and you guys didn't believe me.
Didn't you see what has just happened in France?

Russia invaded a sovereign country just because it wanted to take it over. The propaganda comes from the right and is pro-Putin.

In other words, the right is responsible for the propaganda as well as the nationalism and populism. They are selling false narratives to get people like you to buy in, and you're falling for it.

 

[Estro Felino]

I think it's a natural outcome of "progressives" becoming extreme in the other direction.

The Democrats want to limit freedom of speech and gag all their political opponents but they call themselves "democratic".

It's like as if I were a prostitute and I chose "Immaculate Virgin" as nickname.

 

[Magic Man]

But not to the detriment of other nations.

1) Generally, yes, to the detriment of other nations.

2) That's not really relevant. The point is that nationalism by definition is strictly about promoting the nation, not about working with other nations.