Evangelicals reckoning: Donald Trump & future of our faith

[sun rise]

Trump was a little rude but his policies were what conservatives believe in. The Left doesn't like ANY Republicans so if your premise is that we need to get the Left to like us now then fat chance!

Wrong. I'm on the left and have been my entire life. What Trump did with big central government is the opposite of what conservatives used to believe in. What Trump did ignoring the law and ignoring election results is not what conservatives use to believe in and still do. Conservatives believe in personal responsibility and honor, something foreign to Trump

I don't consider Trump a conservative. People like Jeff Flake and others I consider conservatives.

But if what you are calling conservative is using the power of the Federal Government to override the states, impose its will on people's rights, ignore the many by rewarding the rich and so forth, then, yes, I don't like and oppose those policies.

 

[Colt]

Wrong. I'm on the left and have been my entire life. What Trump did with big central government is the opposite of what conservatives used to believe in. What Trump did ignoring the law and ignoring election results is not what conservatives use to believe in and still do. Conservatives believe in personal responsibility and honor, something foreign to Trump

I don't consider Trump a conservative. People like Jeff Flake and others I consider conservatives.

But if what you are calling conservative is using the power of the Federal Government to override the states, impose its will on people's rights, ignore the many by rewarding the rich and so forth, then, yes, I don't like and oppose those policies.

I agree that Biden won but understand Trumps suspicion that there was fraud. 4 1/2 years of corruption used to undermine Trump has angered a lot of people. Jeff flake is wimp.

 

[Muffled]

I believe things are going to continue in this direction. As CHristians become uncomfortable with how evil the world is becoming more will opt for Heaven instead of another life so that Jesus had a right to ask if He would find faith when He returns.

 

[Muffled]

Many evangelical have an apocalyptic world view, that the world is about the enter the end times.
Everything that happens gets filtered through the lens that Satan is trying to take control of the world via media, politics, other religion and so on. Everyone who is not in their camp is somehow complicit in this.

You can see how they have no way to connect with reality when everyone they encounter and everything they hear that is from outside their world view is probably evil or complicit with these attempts. Facts that go contrary to their perception are lies from the devil.

One would hope that the events of last week would cause them to walk back from the precipice and indeed some seem to have done so. I hope this trend continues.

I suppose cheating in an election is considered a good thing by Democrats because the end justifies the means. Somehow I believe evangelicals are not going to buy that.

 

[metis]

There's NO contradiction between being a devout Christian (an "evangelical," if you prefer), and supporting Donald Trump.

So, his dishonesty, his demeaning of others, his adultery, his saying he can grope women, his making fun of a man in a wheelchair, his chanting "Lock her up!" that's called having a "lynch-mob mentality", his bragging about his penis size and the size of his daughter's (Ivanka) breasts, his support of autocrats like Putin, his appearing in a porno movie, his contempt for the "rule of law" based on the Constitution, his materialism, his pitting children into cages for purely political reasons, his cheating on Melania right after their son was borne, etc., that's all fine & dandy with you and your denomination? If so, maybe it's time for you to find a church that actually teaches the Gospel.

 

[metis]

Voting for Trump was the lesser of two evils

That's sorta weird since Hillary not only was never convicted of anything, she was never even charged with any criminal activity. She's active in her church, and yet Trump's last two pastors have stated that he never has shown up at their services. And then on Christmas day, instead of going to services Trump decides to play golf. Don't these tell you anything?

Personally, I planned on voting 3rd party in 2016 as a protest vote because I was far from being fond of Hillary, but I changed my mind because I felt that Trump was a danger to our country-- and that clearly is correct.

Trump has long been known out East as a "con-man", and he even sorta brags about that in his book "The Art of the Deal", whereas he states that he will do almost anything to "seal the deal". Thus, he "played" millions of Christians, and they fell victim to his "con" because they ignored the many danger signs. There's a lot more that I could get into, but maybe check out my last post on this thread.

IMO, it is virtually impossible for an observant Christian to support Trump.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I would think that an evangelical who deeply and sincerely believes that abortion is murder would be willing to put upon with a great deal to defend a 'sinner' about whom they could say: "yes, but he defends us and he defends the life of the unborn."

 

[metis]

I would think that an evangelical who deeply and sincerely believes that abortion is murder would be willing to put upon with a great deal to defend a 'sinner' about whom they could say: "yes, but he defends us and he defends the life of the unborn."

And this is what I have seen so many times, not only with a great many Evangelicals but also so many Catholics.

Essentially, what they have done is to use the issue of abortion as being a "wedge issue", thus ignoring the simple fact that with basic Christian teachings and the applications of them there are many "pro-life" issues, much like there is in Judaism.