Even in Europe the truth about Trump is out in bold print

[Stevicus]

I would say it's truthful. I'm not convinced there is such a thing as manipulative language - the speaker is manipulative not the words - it's not hypnosis.

And manipulators are prone to accuse their victims of their negative traits.

It depends on what actual "truth" you're referring to. The only actual fact brought forth in the article was Trump's order to the DOJ to investigate as to whether or not the FBI put a spy into his political campaign. That, in and of itself, does not constitute an accusation, nor does it prove wrongdoing on anyone's part. It's just an investigation; it's no big deal - hardly worthy of such a gross overreaction.

The rest of the article is nothing more than opinionated invective spread on so thick you can cut it with a knife.

The manipulation comes in when the writer suggests that it's "despicable" (or even "dangerous") to dare to question the "integrity" of the Justice Department, the FBI, or any other agency in our government. As if we're supposed to believe that they ever had any integrity in the first place.

It appears the Ivy League lawyer is more interested in protecting the puffed-up egos and reputations of his peers more than anything else.

 

[metis]

The Usa is in danger of becoming irrelevant, as it becomes more and more insular, untrustworthy, and inward looking.

Absolutely correct.

 

[metis]

I guess the main question I would have to ask those who say they are Christian is how in the world can they support a man who has almost no Christian ethics, who says he doesn't need God's forgiveness, and who says he doesn't need to pray? And what about the Trump tax cuts that will definitely hurt so many of the poor and elderly, plus ramp up the deficit by an estimated $1.4 trillion over the next 10 years, thus throwing a heavy burden on our children and grandchildren?

And how can they support a man who brags about committing adultery, seeks out prostitutes, lies constantly, brags about himself, is highly materialistic, etc.? Which denomination says that this is excusable?

I can't understand how anyone who actually reads the Bible and believes in Jesus could ever support this president.

 

[Wotans Krieger]

I guess the main question I would have to ask those who say they are Christian is how in the world can they support a man who has almost no Christian ethics, who says he doesn't need God's forgiveness, and who says he doesn't need to pray? And what about the Trump tax cuts that will definitely hurt so many of the poor and elderly, plus ramp up the deficit by an estimated $1.4 trillion over the next 10 years, thus throwing a heavy burden on our children and grandchildren?

And how can they support a man who brags about committing adultery, seeks out prostitutes, lies constantly, brags about himself, is highly materialistic, etc.? Which denomination says that this is excusable?

I can't understand how anyone who actually reads the Bible and believes in Jesus could ever support this president.

Leaders have never been known for the purity of their lives and there is little to choose from when comparing him to many other American Presidents. What about Clinton's blow job?

 

[Shushersbedamned]

It depends on what actual "truth" you're referring to. The only actual fact brought forth in the article was Trump's order to the DOJ to investigate as to whether or not the FBI put a spy into his political campaign. That, in and of itself, does not constitute an accusation, nor does it prove wrongdoing on anyone's part. It's just an investigation; it's no big deal - hardly worthy of such a gross overreaction.

The rest of the article is nothing more than opinionated invective spread on so thick you can cut it with a knife.

The manipulation comes in when the writer suggests that it's "despicable" (or even "dangerous") to dare to question the "integrity" of the Justice Department, the FBI, or any other agency in our government. As if we're supposed to believe that they ever had any integrity in the first place.

It appears the Ivy League lawyer is more interested in protecting the puffed-up egos and reputations of his peers more than anything else.

I was not referring to the article but those words that are often used of Trump and Putin and a few others...

 

[Stevicus]

I was not referring to the article but those words that are often used of Trump and Putin and a few others...

Those are just opinions though, which by definition, can neither be considered "truthful" or false.

 

[Shushersbedamned]

Those are just opinions though, which by definition, can neither be considered "truthful" or false.

Oh yes they can - they are not "opinions" they are words.

 

[metis]

Leaders have never been known for the purity of their lives and there is little to choose from when comparing him to many other American Presidents. What about Clinton's blow job?

You are using the "false equivalency" argument that is quite bogus. It's like saying Hitler and the apostle Peter were the same since they both sinned. I don't expect president's to be saints, but I don't believe that a person who's a believer in Jesus should be excusing Donald's behavior and actually encouraging him on.

BTW, just for the record, I felt the Clinton should have resigned.

 

[Stevicus]

Oh yes they can - they are not "opinions" they are words.

I'm not sure what you mean by this.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

He still got my vote as well. Trump is brought in more results as a president than I've seen in a long long time.

... such as?

 

[Shaul]

The Guardian
Sun 27 May 2018 06.00 EDT

"Trump's assault on the department of justice is an attack on the rule of law

This dangerous and despicable action demonstrates yet again that the president is richly deserving of impeachment

It is by now familiar that Donald Trump has turned organized lying into a first principle of governance. Michel de Montaigne’s observation that the “reverse of truth has a thousand shapes and a boundless field” could serve as the future epithet of the Trump presidency.

But this week the president has gone one step further. In forcing the Department of Justice to launch an investigation into “whether Obama’s FBI and DoJ infiltrated or surveilled our campaign for political purposes”, Trump has demonstrated his power to create durable institutional realities out of politically charged falsehoods.

This is a disgraceful but not surprising assault on the independence and integrity of the justice department."

This article goes on to bash trump in many other ways

Trump's disgraceful assault on the DOJ is an attack on the rule of law | Lawrence Douglas

People, Trump is destroying the USA's credibility all across Europe.

~~~~~~~~Trump’s Republican Party~~~~~~~~

Let this be a warning in spades, Trump is dragging your party through the pig farm slug pit. Please hold your nose, don’t breathe or open your eyes because you be in the disgusted land of ooze.

If you don’t save your party from this pathetical liar you will not only lose what integrity you have but every seat in Congress.

To regain our credibility in Europe we must impeach Trump NOW!!!

Do you agree yes or no and please state why

The Guardian? Really? LOL! Talk about a biased source.

 

[Stevicus]

You are using the "false equivalency" argument that is quite bogus.

"False equivalency" is in the eye of the beholder.

It's like saying Hitler and the apostle Peter were the same since they both sinned.

Only if they had the same sins.

I don't expect president's to be saints, but I don't believe that a person who's a believer in Jesus should be excusing Donald's behavior and actually encouraging him on.

You may have a point here, although one could conceivably take this same argument and say that a believer in Jesus should not even be supporting the US government at all.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

The Guardian? Really? LOL! Talk about a biased source.

Any actual errors in the article you care to point to, or are you just generically well poisoning?

 

[Lyndon]

No obviously a supporter of Jesus should not be supporting the US government, at least lately!!

 

[metis]

"False equivalency" is in the eye of the beholder.

"Situation ethics" is not compatible with religion-based morality?

Only if they had the same sins.

True, but...

You may have a point here, although one could conceivably take this same argument and say that a believer in Jesus should not even be supporting the US government at all.

I don't see that connection, so can you elaborate?

Let me just say that with a democratic form of government, the people are in essence the government, and we are a constitutional republic here in the States.

 

[Stevicus]

"Situation ethics" is not compatible with religion-based morality?

I didn't say that. All I'm saying is that if one presumes to judge another person based on some sort of moral code, that code should be based in a consistent set of principles. If one says "Trump is bad because he did X," then everyone who has done X should be held to the same standard. It's not "false equivalence" to insist upon a consistent moral standard.

True, but...

I don't think anyone would seriously equate Hitler with St. Paul just because "both were sinners." But some might equate Hitler with Andrew Jackson because both are guilty of racist genocidal actions. Or they might equate Hitler with James K. Polk or other presidents who waged wars of expansion. That's why comparisons attempting to equate Trump with Hitler are somewhat off the wall, since Trump hasn't come close to anything like that.

I don't see that connection, so can you elaborate?

Let me just say that with a democratic form of government, the people are in essence the government, and we are a constitutional republic here in the States.

You were talking about followers of Jesus supporting public figures who ostensibly do un-Christian things. How many un-Christian things can we cite that the U.S. government has done? I hinted at it slightly above mentioning Polk and Jackson - along with the racism, genocide, slavery, aggressive wars of expansion, and other un-Christian things which are attributed to our government.

Even since those darker days of our history, we still have had aggressive policies, fighting wars for profit, including wars by proxy. Greed is a sin. Pride is a sin.

If I recall correctly, the Book of Psalms admonishes believers to not walk with the wicked or sit among the sinful. So, if the people are the government, then the people are making the decision to actively and knowingly commit sins. Wouldn't the followers of Jesus believe that they should dissociate themselves from those people who comprise the government? Or at the very least, shouldn't they refrain from supporting this government for the very same reasons you say followers of Christ should not support Trump?

 

[james dixon]

I disagree. I like everything Trump has done so far. I support my candidate who I voted for twice 100%.

Voting twice in an election is illegal. But you knew that and did it anyway.

Shame on you. Your voting privileges should be removed.

 

[james dixon]

If one says "Trump is bad because he did X," then everyone who has done X should be held to the same standard. It's not "false equivalence" to insist upon a consistent moral standard.

Trump is a pathological liar. This is an identifiable mental illness making you unfit to be President of the United States.

 

[Stevicus]

Trump is a pathological liar. This is an identifiable mental illness making you unfit to be President of the United States.

It depends on how one defines a "lie." If one says that a mistaken estimate of the crowd size at a presidential inauguration constitutes a "lie," then I would find cause to question the standard one is using to consider it as such.

 

[james dixon]

hysteria is the result of sour grapes by his opponents who cannot accept the will of the electorate

The electorate was ignored this time around. Trump lost the popular vote.