Spiderman
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I read the post too quicklynevermind, Malibu is not in India
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I read the post too quicklynevermind, Malibu is not in India
I wasn't going to say anything.nevermind, Malibu is not in India
If the student is ready, but the guru doesn't appear or isn't available, can't a student learn the same things from studying the writings and scriptures of the gurus?
One Sadhu proverb that I never fully understood is, "It is better to walk than to run; it is better to stand than to walk; it is better to sit than to stand; it is better to lie than to sit."....At first it appears to be speaking highly of sloth and laziness...but I think what it actually means, is when you are most still, calm, at peace, and without worries, that is when you are most disposed to receive enlightenment and insight from the sprit-world, as opposed to being busy with many tasks and distractions.
I never met a sadu though I have met a celebate man who prayed a lot and traveled giving seminars and was kind of a genius without a clue. I noticed thes two quotes from your post and wondered if the reason they said to sit or rest was in hopes they could receive karmic results without causing more? Maybe for them its about becoming absorbers of causation.It is also thought that the austere practices of the sadhus help to burn off their karma and that of the community at large. Thus seen as benefiting society,
if the reason they said to sit or rest was in hopes they could receive karmic results without causing more? Maybe for them its about becoming absorbers of causation.
You are so right, all religions, including the Christian religion, have their self-focused traditions which isolate themselves, as if this will attain to a higher spirituality. So unlike Jesus, the Son of God, who came to dwell among humans demonstrating loving service.No more so than the Christian hermits who live alone or cloistered monks and nuns. Almost all religions have their traditions of renunciates.
You are so right, all religions, including the Christian religion, have their self-focused traditions which isolate themselves, as if this will attain to a higher spirituality. So unlike Jesus, the Son of God, who came to dwell among humans demonstrating loving service.
Thank you, I am not above being reminding against being judgmental or the need for humility. I am certainly not the one to say where someone's heart is at, what their motives are, or service may be through solitude prayer. I am glad that call belongs to God alone. I definitely don't think everyone, or anyone else, can die for humanity, but Jesus. Just as I don't believe anyone can "strive" for their own salvation. I believe God is the Who that says what spirituality should be, rather than a religious practice/lifestyle created in the human mind and imagination.Who's to say the service they're providing is not in the form of prayer and interceding for the world? Not everyone can die for humanity. Who's to say they're wrong? Who's to say they should not strive for their own "salvation"? Who's to say what their spirituality is and should be? I'd turn the judgmentalism down a few notches and turn up the humility.
Just as I don't believe anyone can "strive" for their own salvation. I believe God is the Who that says what spirituality should be, rather than a religious practice/lifestyle created in the human mind and imagination.
Not everyone believes as you do. There is no absolute right or wrong method or path. If there were everyone would do it.
Yes, I am aware that not everyone believes as I do, especially the idea that there is an absolute right or wrong path as revealed by Jesus, the Word ..“I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.'; "You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me. But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life".Not everyone believes as you do. There is no absolute right or wrong method or path.
Not according to Jesus. Although Christ claims He is the way and the way is revealed, everyone does not want the way that is provided, preferring their own way instead...If there were everyone would do it.
Not according to Jesus. Although Christ claims He is the way and the way is revealed, everyone does not want the way that is provided, preferring their own way instead...
Great point!I never met a sadu though I have met a celebate man who prayed a lot and traveled giving seminars and was kind of a genius without a clue. I noticed thes two quotes from your post and wondered if the reason they said to sit or rest was in hopes they could receive karmic results without causing more? Maybe for them its about becoming absorbers of causation.
This! Well said!Who's to say the service they're providing is not in the form of prayer and interceding for the world? Not everyone can die for humanity. Who's to say they're wrong? Who's to say they should not strive for their own "salvation"? Who's to say what their spirituality is and should be? I'd turn the judgmentalism down a few notches and turn up the humility.
So true, not everyone believes in Jesus and probably no point in debating about Jesus, Krishna, who's right or wrong with you. At least I don't want to.Not everyone believes in Jesus. I can show you that Krishna is the way. I can give you scriptures too. So who is right? You could tell me I worship a "false God" (never did understand that term... it's illogical) or I can say you follow a deluded self-aggrandized peasant. Maybe Satan has deceived everyone into following Jesus. Who is right?
You are so right, all religions, including the Christian religion, have their self-focused traditions which isolate themselves, as if this will attain to a higher spirituality. So unlike Jesus, the Son of God, who came to dwell among humans demonstrating loving service.
Sounds like one of the scam artists pretending to be holy and duping the gullible. True holy people would not want your money and surround themselves with wealth.Followed a Satguru for a while though he wasn't of the ascetic types. Had a big mansion in Malibu. His wealth all came from donations.
Folks would renounce all of their possessions to the church and enter an ashram. Married an American wife, had two kids, a hundred thousand followers. I know, nothing compared to some youtube celebs these days, but doesn't seem like too bad of a gig.
Yes I'm a Hindu, and while traveling in India, one has to beware the scammers. One scam is to try to shake your hand, but then grab on to your wrist, hold you while the buddies come and rob you. But if you have any wits about you at all, you can tell. The legitimate sadhu will only have a bowl in front of him, for alms ... food or money. He won't be active in begging at all.
In my experience the Buddhists are awesome with the care of monks. The Hindu monks I know get fed by Buddhists quite often because there are no Buddhist monks around there. So although they are beggars, they don't beg.Interesting. Similar to when I practiced Buddhism in SGI (not western). They ask for thousands to put towards charity which is evangalizing to convert (literally, not indirect) compared to the theravada monks living by food and drink of residents near their monastary. They cant touch money and the lay help with clothes and food and the monks and nuns spread The Dharma and retreat practices related accordingly.