Ever notice anything about this forum?

[outhouse]

When you find life somewhere else other than earth that started from "natural elements", you will have convinced me. :yes:

Actually, I believe I am being totally reasonable here. Just show me life anywhere else other than earth, and I will come aboard this ship of theories.

Extraterrestrial Life Found in Rare Meteorite?

this is where we are at right now. Some are very sure this is life from outer space and probably a meteor from mars.

http://www.disinfo.com/2011/03/alien-life-found-on-meteorite-claims-nasa-scientist/

another link with claims of life from another planet

 

[painted wolf]

Extraterrestrial Life Found in Rare Meteorite?

this is where we are at right now. Some are very sure this is life from outer space and probably a meteor from mars.

Alien Life Found on Meteorite, Claims NASA Scientist | Disinformation

another link with claims of life from another planet

yeah, not so much.

wa:do

 

[outhouse]

theres also the drake equation

Drake equation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

not evidence but makes a good case.

yeah, not so much.

.

pretty vague, care to clarify???

 

[painted wolf]

The Drake equation is pretty useless, a fun thought experiment but little else.

And the "alien life" has been thoroughly debunked from stem to stern.

NASA Refutes Alien Discovery Claim : Discovery News
Has life been found in a meteorite? | Bad Astronomy | Discover Magazine
NASA: Don’t believe the ‘alien life’ hype
Did scientists discover bacteria in meteorites? : Pharyngula
Followup thoughts on the meteorite fossils claim | Bad Astronomy | Discover Magazine

just as a start.

wa:do

 

[waitasec]

do i ever notice anything about this forum?

i notice deliberate attempts at being intellectually dishonest...

Actucally evolution is losing specifically because the scientific method and reason are winning.

 

[Jose Fly]

Well, it seems that the forum is presently down to a pair of creationists, both of whom are absolutely impossible to converse with. IMO, trying to engage in a discussion with them is exactly (and I really mean "exactly") like trying to talk to a person who's been brainwashed by a cult, in that it's almost impossible. They've been told what to say and told that their everlasting salvation is at stake should they falter. And when presented with something they can't answer, they either ignore it completely (likely pretending it never existed at all) or respond with very childish insults and taunts.

We may as well be trying to convince a lifelong cult member that his leader isn't really a Messiah.

 

[Revoltingest]

Well, it seems that the forum is presently down to a pair of creationists, both of whom are absolutely impossible to converse with. IMO, trying to engage in a discussion with them is exactly (and I really mean "exactly") like trying to talk to a person who's been brainwashed by a cult, in that it's almost impossible. They've been told what to say and told that their everlasting salvation is at stake should they falter. And when presented with something they can't answer, they either ignore it completely (likely pretending it never existed at all) or respond with very childish insults and taunts.
We may as well be trying to convince a lifelong cult member that his leader isn't really a Messiah.

If you read your own posts, you'd see why they don't want to engage you.
You have a civility problem, & not just with creationists. I only say this
because I think you'd have more fun if you were friendlier when disagreeing.

 

[waitasec]

If you read your own posts, you'd see why they don't want to engage you.
You have a civility problem, & not just with creationists. I only say this
because I think you'd have more fun if you were friendlier when disagreeing.

i needed that...

 

[Jose Fly]

If you read your own posts, you'd see why they don't want to engage you.
You have a civility problem, & not just with creationists. I only say this
because I think you'd have more fun if you were friendlier when disagreeing.

That could be true, however given that the two creationists I'm referring to act exactly the same towards me as they do everyone else, I don't think it applies.

Also, when I initially engaged NewHope, I was completely civil and objective. That didn't last of course as it quickly became obvious that she had absolutely no interest in engaging in anything resembling a conversation.

I fully admit that I don't suffer the stupid, delusional, or non-self aware well. When a person cannot back up what they say, and then ignores or dismisses data that's inconvenient to their position, I lose whatever respect I initially had for them.

It's all too easy for some people to use personalities as an excuse to leave a discussion when the facts aren't going their way.

 

[Revoltingest]

I fully admit that I don't suffer the stupid, delusional, or non-self aware well.

We'd really appreciate it if you'd put more effort into suffering us though.
I find it helps to limit my conversations with some posters.

 

[Jose Fly]

We'd really appreciate it if you'd put more effort into suffering us though.
I find it helps to limit my conversations with some posters.

So what sort of conversation do you envision having with people who ignore most of what you say, wave away inconvenient data, and generally behave dishonestly?

 

[waitasec]

So what sort of conversation do you envision having with people who ignore most of what you say, wave away inconvenient data, and generally behave dishonestly?

i wouldn't consider it a conversation
a conversation is a discourse of ideas bouncing off each other...
not a lecture...

p.s.
i am guilty for for falling into this trap

 

[Jose Fly]

i wouldn't consider it a conversation
a conversation is a discourse of ideas bouncing off each other...
not a lecture...

I agree fully. That's why a lot of my posts (at least initially) are clarifying questions (e.g. "What do you mean by that", or "How exactly do you know"). Naturally, once the person demonstrates that there's no way they're going to answer, there's really no point in asking more questions, is there?

So then what do you do?

 

[waitasec]

I agree fully. That's why a lot of my posts (at least initially) are clarifying questions (e.g. "What do you mean by that", or "How exactly do you know"). Naturally, once the person demonstrates that there's no way they're going to answer, there's really no point in asking more questions, is there?

So then what do you do?

move on...

or keep
:banghead3

 

[Revoltingest]

So what sort of conversation do you envision having with people who ignore most of what you say, wave away inconvenient data, and generally behave dishonestly?

I would engage them only on topics where they're more interesting.
Example: You don't see me trying to teach economics to Mball anymore.
But I'll tolerate him on matters of atheism. Why beat yer head agin a wall?

Always remember, 99% of what happens here is under your complete control.
Don't like the results....then there's only 1 person at fault.

 

[Jose Fly]

move on...

or keep
:banghead3

Interesting....no attempt at all to change tactics? No shift to entertainment mode (for lack of a better term)?

 

[Jose Fly]

I would engage them only on topics where they're more interesting.

That may work, but only if they actually participate in other topics.

Example: You don't see me trying to teach economics to Mball anymore.

*snort*

Why beat yer head agin a wall?

I agree. No sense in continually expecting such folks to engage you seriously.

Always remember, 99% of what happens here is under your complete control.
Don't like the results....then there's only 1 person at fault.

What? So the reason NewHope and Wilson act they way they do is because of everyone else? They bear absolutely no responsibility for their own behavior? Seriously?

 

[LuisDantas]

Always remember, 99% of what happens here is under your complete control.
Don't like the results....then there's only 1 person at fault.

I wish I had some idea of what you mean by that.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

I wish I had some idea of what you mean by that.

I think he's just saying if you don't like what's on TV, change the channel.

 

[Revoltingest]

I wish I had some idea of what you mean by that.

If we get into a spat with another poster, It's in our control to either lead the discussion in a
positive direction, or failing that, avoid either the contentious issue with that poster.
If we continue to be peeved by someone, we've only ourselves to blame for not fixing the problem.
Kilgore's changing the TV channel is a good metaphor for the avoidance aspect of this approach.