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Ever notice how atheists are virtually always on the opposite side from God on many issues?

Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
muhammad_isa said:
..another thread that is a honeypot for atheists, I see.. ;)
Don't you get bored continually discussing what evidence is...
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Don't blame others when the religious do not understand the concept. I often hammer away at the concept, but too many of the religious know that the evidence is against them. They seem to prefer make believe.
 
DNB

DNB

Christian
It Aint Necessarily So said:
Here we go again. Your thoughts are so complex so you don't even know where to begin to explain them to a simple mind.

How about a rebuttal before taking a victory lap? You still haven't made a case for your deity and man resembling one another enough to say "in his image." You want to make it all lofty and poetic and foggy and transcendent and then say, "We're still in his image. You're too simple to see." Sorry. I need more than that. That's just smoke and mirrors.

Image means something. It can be anatomical or psychological. I have more in common with a bird than this deity by every measure. The bird and I know hunger and fear and the feel of a breeze. We both have mouths to eat and vocalize, and limbs to walk. This god is as alien and different as possible, yet I read, "in his image" and ask in what sense. It always goes like this. Diffuse language.

What you have is a religious belief based in a religion in which man exalts himself - sort of a spiritual Dunning-Kruger syndrome conferring an unearned sense of self-importance. Man floats with the gods and angels, right? He's no ape, right? He has a soul that was made in God's image trapped in wretched flesh, the word flesh uttered with the same contempt as the word world. And the result is people who see animals as there for man to exploit like the entire rest of the earth. It's all inferior and it's all slated for apocalyptic destruction by God.
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God is holy, and He has exhorted mankind to be holy as He is. A dog or cat cannot behave in a holy manner - holiness stems from the heart and is measured by one's intent - even a good deed may be met with indignation if there was a misguided or ulterior motive behind it.
Have you ever seen a non-human at feeding time - nothing charitable or altruistic about their approach or intent. Especially when we consider the fact that the majority of them must kill (a peer) in order to be fed - have they forgotten the 6th commandment?

Non-human's do not pray to God, nor can conceive of His existence or character. Non-humans do not discuss morality, conduct funerals or eulogies for their loved ones, protest injustices except for selfish reason. Pets do not love their owners for their character, integrity or decency, but only for how they treat the pet. And, even then, the pet's loyalty is entirely contingent upon his own well-being, and can be diverted to the highest bidder.

Every single society and culture throughout history, and throughout the world, has strived to attain to the transcendent, the non secular, the immaterial, and non physical. Countless humans have dedicated their lives to prayer, asceticism, sacrifice, charity, despite all that the world had to offer them as far as material wealth and physical comfort is concerned. In other words, only man is capable of acting in a manner that is antithetical to the laws of survival and of the fittest - he turns the other cheek, sacrifices his time and money with absolutely no vested interest of his own, will even martyr his life for the sake of his faith and convictions.

No other creature on the planet can act in a righteous or holy manner, by principle. They may spare a kill one day, but will steal and eat alive another animal's offspring 1,000 times in the following days. They do not have a judicial system, a moral code, a penitentiary, or a place of refuge for vulnerable beasts. Nor do they even protest an injustice - for they cannot identify one.

Man has been seeking God ever since the dawn of history: His ontology, His laws and precepts, His forgiveness and atonement, His approbation, etc...
No other creature under the sun has this capability, for they have not been created in the image of God - a spiritual and holy Being.
 
DNB

DNB

Christian
Secret Chief said:
Humans are great apes. Humans are primates. All 8 billion of us including you.

"Humans or modern humans (Homo sapiens) are the most common and widespread species of primate. A great ape characterized by their hairlessness, bipedalism, and high intelligence, humans have a large brain and resulting cognitive skills that enable them to thrive in varied environments and develop complex societies and civilizations."

- Human - Wikipedia
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Like I said, maybe you are.
 
The Hammer

The Hammer

Skald
Premium Member
DNB said:
I was under 10 when i had pets.
For some more mature people, they're useful for protection or companionship.
But, they are strictly creatures of instinct: yes they experience pleasure and pain, fear and comfort, and other emotions., but these are not spiritually derived. These experiences are secular, biological, and based on perception - not wisdom, faith, hope, despondency, depression or despair.
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Your perception and emotions don't seem spiritually derived to me. More like Satanic. Considering your view of the natural worlds.
 
DNB

DNB

Christian
The Hammer said:
Your perception and emotions don't seem spiritually derived to me. More like Satanic. Considering your view of the natural worlds.
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Coming from someone who believes that we came from monkeys - what can you tell us about Satan?
 
The Hammer

The Hammer

Skald
Premium Member
DNB said:
Actually, now that you mention it, I was walking through a forest one time and began to hear singing even though I was the only around for miles. Look at that, it must've been the trees.
Next time that I'm scuba diving, I'll try to keep an ear open for all the fish singing a tune, also.
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Look at that a book about the Spiritual Lives of Animals by Jane Goodall PhD.

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Maybe you should pick it up and give it a read. Shoot I'll even buy it for you friend.


"Animal Wisdom is a thoughtful and inspired exploration of the ways in which animals, if we will but watch them and listen to them, can help us to live our lives more fully."
 
Sgt. Pepper

Sgt. Pepper

All you need is love.
DNB said:
God is holy, and He has exhorted mankind to be holy as He is.

Man has been seeking God ever since the dawn of history: His ontology, His laws and precepts, His forgiveness and atonement, His approbation, etc...
No other creature under the sun has this capability, for they have not been created in the image of God - a spiritual and holy Being.
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Those are some interesting beliefs that you have, DNB. Of course, everything you've stated isn't an absolute fact but merely your personal Christian beliefs.
 
Sgt. Pepper

Sgt. Pepper

All you need is love.
The Hammer said:
You might want to step off the Bible then friend.
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I don't believe that the stories of a talking donkey, a talking serpent, and a grown man surviving for three days in the belly of a big fish lend credibility to the Bible. And in my opinion, stories of God commanding his chosen people to annihilate the populace (men, women, children, infants; I Samuel 15:2–3) of an enemy nation and verses such as "Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks" (Psalm 137:9) don't make the Bible a beacon for morality and justice either. To be honest, I don't believe that anyone should derive their understanding of morality or justice from the Bible.
 
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