Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Just like multiple generations of family members over the centuries. The cause by which people came is eventually no more, making everyone cause-less.
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Everyone has a religion
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Just like multiple generations of family members over the centuries. The cause by which people came is eventually no more, making everyone cause-less.
I mostly agree, except that I doubt that cosmological anxieties are quite so prevalent as the urban legend says.
Kelly of the Phoenix
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It's not even every religion. Like you noted, the history of the universe could just be circular.
But if history is circular, you don't need a First Cause. The end of one thing segues into the next thing. Even the usual Biblical God, Yahweh, is the Son or Son-in-law of El, who Himself was Son of Earth and Sky. Just plopping down at an arbitrary point in the story doesn't prove that nothing came before it.
Phantasman
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Religions are doctrines of men.
jonathan180iq
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Yes, of course. I was referring to the specific position of the OP.
I thought about mentioning that but I didn't want to get too wordy.
Unveiled Artist
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Gosh. If I hadnt moved, I would have no concept of any gods and saviors. I wouldnt even know how to converse about 99% whats on RF excluding its politics
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Interesting
Please give a link to a modern physics (the relevant science) book that says every event has a cause.
Apparently so since many claim it.
Only if you believe the likes of Peterson, or Gray, or any others who seem to claim that atheism is just another religious belief - perversely.
Not necessarily - some of us see it as a fruitless task - judging by all the different accounts from minds immensely better than ours - or at least, mine - and choosing one might be a bit pointless - like choosing a particular religion.
Again, not necessarily - we often have purpose and meaning imposed on our lives by circumstances. Some indeed do seek such, whether through religion or not. Are they any happier or more likely to be correct? I doubt it, and re-running their lives might produce an entirely different outcome.
Well, some of us can live with not knowing. Perhaps we are a bit more grown up than others?
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Skwim
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Got it.[/QUOTE]
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So, just what is this first event, and how do you know it is the first event?
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Audie
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Well, some of us can live with not knowing. Perhaps we are a bit more grown up than others?
Yes
Atheism : The disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.
Nothing more, nothing less, anything else is misrepresentation.
I never gave you permission to dictate my mind
Can i rewrite that from the perspective of reality
And at the beginning there was a Miracle. Either the miracle was god magic or natural processes created the universe, possibly out of nothing (* see below), possibly by some other cause including spawning from an existing universe, colliding quantum membranes etc.
* https://arxiv.org/abs/1404.1207
"for no reason whatsoever", ask the universe if it cares.
You lack of understanding apparently means fill the gaps with god.
Yes, it means "not believing in any God or gods." That describes me perfectly, and therefore, since I exist, atheism exists.
Totally incorrect. I have none, and since I'm someone, not "everyone" can possibly be included in your statement.
Most people question those things, and many think they have answers. Some answers are better thought out than other, and let me suggest that the several hypotheses proposed by science, while not as seemingly "complete" as the religious ones, are a whole lot more firmly grounded in what is known. To make that point clearer, consider the various creation myths of multiple religions through human history, and try to decide which is more likely to be "factually correct." I do not think that you will find (other than by reason of your personal belief) that your religion's creation myth is particularly better or more reasonable than any other.
But if you insist on looking for purpose and meaning for your life from outside of your life, then that purpose and meaning will NOT be yours. And insofar as you cannot actually know anything about your God's, or anybody else's gods', purposes, then you can never find out what that presumed purpose is, or what it means.
If you are looking for purpose and meaning, find your own. https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/purpose.210588/page-4#post-5702752
No it doesn't. The "laws" of causality did not even exist until after the the beginning of the universe
Ehm... Kicking the can is an event
A Vestigial Mote
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If someone calls the sun "god", I don't have to say I don't believe in "the sun" in order to say I don't believe that the sun qualifies as a god.
In my opinion, someone pointing to something like that and saying "everyone believes" is an even more disingenuous/dishonest method of trying to cast everyone as "believers" than the classic monotheistic statements along the lines of "everyone believes in my God, they're just in denial."
Sir Doom
Cooler than most of you
Yes. Any thought, word or deed performed without consideration to deity is atheistic by nature. Brushing your teeth is a good example. Most people do not consider divine input when brushing their teeth, thus it is atheistic.
An atheist (especially when the label is self-applied) is someone who takes this approach to a majority of their life either actively or passively at their own discretion (this varies wildly from atheist to atheist). Many even go so far as to discuss it publicly on forums like this. One has only to read any thread on RF to receive objective empirical evidence of atheism.
Nonsense. The word means that which you have reverence for. It's a catch-all (however successful it is) designed to ignore the details of any particular religion. There are people who are strictly irreverant towards things held in reverence by others. They, at least, have no religion being that their philosophy is the antithesis of it.
Also, I find it generally rude to apply labels to people who patently reject them. If someone tells me they have no religion, I just take their word for it. What difference would it make anyway?
It all started when I was about 4 years old. There is no end in sight.
That would be my earliest memory. Everything before is hearsay. I believe it at my own discretion.
Except those that have found it. No, not me.
I don't even have to pick! Boxes are only in your imagination. You can climb in them all day but it's hard to cram others into them.
Mathematics didn't exist unil well after humans. We made that stuff up. It works, but so does English and we made that up, too. Think about it...
Beside the point, naturally.
Everything that is part of the universe may very well have been here before it just may not have been combined the way it is now.
You really shouldn't let why cloud how, is my advice.
I don't. I have no need for magical thinking.