Everyone voting? The horror!

[Nakosis]

I know that in the US voting is not mandatory so you have to do so on your own volition. I also know that there’s gerrymandering? Or voter suppression tactics, which I won’t pretend to understand
But if every single US citizen voted, what do you think would be the outcome in congress? Would one party win or would it be a tie?
What do you think as Mericans?
I’m merely curious

I don't really like being force to do anything.

Likely I'd start voting for the candidate least likely to win.
Being a libertarian, I suppose I'm already doing that.

 

[sun rise]

Opposition to changes that would give 3rd parties power.
Their use of districting ensures no aggregating power for
any but the The Big Two.

That is not disenfranchisement as the dictionary defines it. It's false equivalence to compare the right which is actively stopping people from actually voting and the both sides rigging the system.

 

[Revoltingest]

That is not disenfranchisement as the dictionary defines it. It's false equivalence to compare the right which is actively stopping people from actually voting and the both sides rigging the system.

No dictionary definition cited.
False use of "false equivalency".
Ignoring the issue entirely.

Dang, doggy....you're on a roll !!!

 

[Kenny]

I know that in the US voting is not mandatory so you have to do so on your own volition. I also know that there’s gerrymandering? Or voter suppression tactics, which I won’t pretend to understand
But if every single US citizen voted, what do you think would be the outcome in congress? Would one party win or would it be a tie?
What do you think as Mericans?
I’m merely curious

Obviously, we are dealing with hypotheticals. If we look at the map, it would appear to me that Republicans would win (hypothetically speaking).

My wife and family, of hispanic background, would not vote Democrat because they come from a country where liberals are in power and they don't like it. Sure, they would willingly come to the US because of what it offers even if it is illegal "on the books", who wouldn't? But they all understand that free borders also mean the same people they were escaping from would also come in. (Not a package deal but generally speaking)

 

[Twilight Hue]

I don't really like being force to do anything.

Likely I'd start voting for the candidate least likely to win.
Being a libertarian, I suppose I'm already doing that.

Only authoritarianism forces people in matters that clearly need to stay free choice.

Like in banana republics, choice is not an option.

 

[pearl]

My wife and family, of hispanic background, would not vote Democrat because they come from a country where liberals are in power and they don't like it.

Hispanics, Latinos tend to be more socially conservative as witnessed by a large population left Catholicism, joined the Evangelicals.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I know that in the US voting is not mandatory so you have to do so on your own volition. I also know that there’s gerrymandering? Or voter suppression tactics, which I won’t pretend to understand
But if every single US citizen voted, what do you think would be the outcome in congress? Would one party win or would it be a tie?
What do you think as Mericans?
I’m merely curious

It would just mean more time is being taken in order to vote for politictions nobody wants.

 

[QuestioningMind]

Gerrymandering ought to be done away with. Both parties are guilty of using it, but more so it benefits the Republicans.



I think it would easily be the Democrats, the Republicans know this, thus the reason for all the new voter restriction laws in effect. Every ten years there is a federal census taken from which is decided the number of senators any state is allowed, which in turn may determine which party has the majority in Congress. One state, Texas? there is a large increase in the Black and Hispanic population which increased the number of senators Texas is allowed to 3. The very population which accounted for the increase in population has voting restrictions applied to them.

Actually every state gets only 2 senators, no more and no less. You're thinking of members of the house of representatives... those vary depending upon population.

 

[Suave]

Opposition to changes that would give 3rd parties power.
Their use of districting ensures no aggregating power for
any but the The Big Two.

Thanks to Ralph Nader taking precious votes away from Al Gore in the crucial swing state of Florida during the 2020 U S.Presidential election, Bush instead of Gore became President. Third Party candidates serve only as spoiler makers swinging close elections in favor of Republicans or Democrats. Of course, I don't mind when Libertarians swing elections in favor of Democrats.

 

[Suave]

Opposition to changes that would give 3rd parties power.
Their use of districting ensures no aggregating power for
any but the The Big Two.

We Democrats oppose third party Socialist or Green Party candidates, but are not opposed to Libertarian third party candidates

 

[Suave]

I know that in the US voting is not mandatory so you have to do so on your own volition. I also know that there’s gerrymandering? Or voter suppression tactics, which I won’t pretend to understand
But if every single US citizen voted, what do you think would be the outcome in congress? Would one party win or would it be a tie?
What do you think as Mericans?
I’m merely curious

I am guessing most Americans would agree with the enfranchisement of non citizen workers having a vote for how their tax payments should be distributed and how their working conditions should be regulated. Also, I would like felons to be eligible to vote, because many of them have experienced discriminatory policing and unfair sentencing, and their votes might help persuade politicians to reform our criminal justice system.

 

[anna.]

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Obviously, we are dealing with hypotheticals. If we look at the map, it would appear to me that Republicans would win (hypothetically speaking).

My wife and family, of hispanic background, would not vote Democrat because they come from a country where liberals are in power and they don't like it. Sure, they would willingly come to the US because of what it offers even if it is illegal "on the books", who wouldn't? But they all understand that free borders also mean the same people they were escaping from would also come in. (Not a package deal but generally speaking)

That map has Orange County, CA in red, when after many years of being a Republican stronghold it went for Hillary in 2016 and Biden in 2020. So, that's one county that's incorrectly mapped. Who knows how many others?

A more representative map looks like this:

This map shows what the US presidential vote really looks like

 

[Kenny]

That map has Orange County, CA in red, when after many years of being a Republican stronghold it went for Hillary in 2016 and Biden in 2020. So, that's one county that's incorrectly mapped. Who knows how many others?

A more representative map looks like this:

This map shows what the US presidential vote really looks like

thank you! It is hard to tell which one is exact but the basics is still there.

 

[anna.]

thank you! It is hard to tell which one is exact but the basics is still there.

You can see in the map in my link accurately shows Orange County in blue, unlike the map you posted. Orange County is on the coast above San Diego County. Here's a county map to locate it:

https://geology.com/state-map/maps/california-county-map.gif

It's more illustrative to show vote by population rather than by state or county, since land doesn't vote, people vote.

 

[Revoltingest]

Thanks to Ralph Nader taking precious votes away from Al Gore in the crucial swing state of Florida during the 2020 U S.Presidential election, Bush instead of Gore became President. Third Party candidates serve only as spoiler makers swinging close elections in favor of Republicans or Democrats. Of course, I don't mind when Libertarians swing elections in favor of Democrats.

Ross Perot helped Dems win.
So it works both ways.
But the value of 3rd parties lies in Congress & other elections.

 

[anna.]

Thanks to Ralph Nader taking precious votes away from Al Gore in the crucial swing state of Florida during the 2020 U S.Presidential election, Bush instead of Gore became President. Third Party candidates serve only as spoiler makers swinging close elections in favor of Republicans or Democrats. Of course, I don't mind when Libertarians swing elections in favor of Democrats.

A third party vote for president - at least at this point in our history - is a wasted vote. Sure of course people can vote their conscience, or to make a statement, but our 2-party system doesn't care about that. Like it or not, one of two party candidates will win and those who aren't part of getting the least destructive candidate into office because they wouldn't vote for either of the two which are guaranteed to win have no standing to complain about who we get.

 

[anna.]

Also, I would like felons to be eligible to vote, because many of them have experienced discriminatory policing and unfair sentencing, and their votes might help persuade politicians to reform our criminal justice system.

I've never thought felons should lose their right to vote.

 

[anna.]

Also, election day should be a federal holiday. Any party standing in the way of that wants to suppress voting.

 

[Sand Dancer]

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Obviously, we are dealing with hypotheticals. If we look at the map, it would appear to me that Republicans would win (hypothetically speaking).

My wife and family, of hispanic background, would not vote Democrat because they come from a country where liberals are in power and they don't like it. Sure, they would willingly come to the US because of what it offers even if it is illegal "on the books", who wouldn't? But they all understand that free borders also mean the same people they were escaping from would also come in. (Not a package deal but generally speaking)

Yes, but where most of the people are is in blue. It's not like the red areas are wall-to-wall people. It's mostly open land and tiny towns.

 

[Sand Dancer]

Hispanics, Latinos tend to be more socially conservative as witnessed by a large population left Catholicism, joined the Evangelicals.

How large a population?