Everything we pay for is leisure

[nnmartin]

I just payed about £10 to have my dissertation printed, bound and kept in a zip-lock bag with the relevant forms. This is because I desire a decent degree, but I would hardly call the whole process leisurely.

This would seem to be a case of delayed gratification.

We hope for a degree in order to earn future riches to allow us to fulfill our potential as self-gratifyers.

However, for most people, education is a form of leisure because we are paying for a service that we don't necessarily need.

 

[blackout]

There are people who do nothing but work.
Two full time jobs, hardly sleep,
just to keep the roof over their kids head
and food in their stomach.

Some people know no leisure whatsoever.

 

[nnmartin]

that is true, but of course some people are lucky in that work to them is also leisure.

Perhaps that is the true meaning of 'a life of leisure'.

 

[averageJOE]

So if I take something without paying for it would it no longer be for "leisure"?

 

[nnmartin]

not necessarily because leisure can , of course , be had for free.

 

[blackout]

So can anyone think of something which they pay for that does not fall into this category?

There are people who do nothing but work.
Two full time jobs, hardly sleep,
just to keep the roof over their kids head
and food in their stomach.

Some people know no leisure whatsoever.

that is true...

I win the thread.

 

[Kerr]

so you mean to say that you get absolutely no enjoyment out of your training?

To be honest I am not sure what leisure meant. My brain translated it to comfort or something like that.

 

[blackout]

Definition of LEISURE

1
: freedom provided by the cessation of activities; especially : time free from work or duties

2
: ease, leisureliness

— leisure adjective
&#8212; at leisure or at one's leisure : in one's leisure time : at one's convenience <read the book at her leisure>




Examples of LEISURE

1. I don't have much time for leisure.
2. <upon retiring, the elderly couple looked forward to a life of well-deserved leisure>

Related to LEISURE
Synonyms: decompression, ease, 1rest, relaxation, repose
Antonyms: exertion, labor, toil, work

 

[Draka]

Buying food to feed your children to maintain their health and well-being can hardly be considered a leisure pursuit. Nor can paying gobs of money for medical procedures and medicine just to stay alive even though it is a sickly life full of pain but the person is either afraid to die or euthanasia/suicide is not allowed. Not a whole lot of leisure for the person barely living and having to pay for the ability to be barely living.

 

[nnmartin]

I win the thread.

not at all, because you do not pay to work.

 

[chinu]

It seems to be that paying for anything is a form of leisure.

Paying for anything can be summed up as 'the enjoyment, pursuit or continuance of leisure'.

So when we pay the rent, utilities, food bills or even a parking ticket then it all falls under this umbrella.

The same can be said for any form of private education, including university.

Now, what this means is that, fundamentally, people are only concerned about pleasing themselves and hiding behind artificial smoke screens of supposed righteousness, industry and drive, in order to fulfill their desires for leisure.

So can anyone think of something which they pay for that does not fall into this category?

You are right,
Even if somebody is paying something for compleate libration from this illusionery world, this also falls into this ceategory.

This is true, that including libration from this illusionery world, nothing in this world is unpaid.

 

[blackout]

There are people who do nothing but work.
Two full time jobs, hardly sleep,
just to keep the roof over their kids head
and food in their stomach.

Some people know no leisure whatsoever.

I win the thread.

not at all, because you do not pay to work.

As I said....

just to keep the roof over their kids head
and food in their stomach.

housing and food for your children.

To reiterate, two jobs and no free time, not even for sleep.
Yet all of your money is being spent.


*how can this be?*

 

[nnmartin]

Buying food to feed your children to maintain their health and well-being can hardly be considered a leisure pursuit.

Sure it is.

Children are an extension of ourselves - when we make them happy and nourished we also nourish ourselves. This is most certainly a form of pleasure (and thus, leisure).

Nor can paying gobs of money for medical procedures and medicine just to stay alive even though it is a sickly life full of pain but the person is either afraid to die or euthanasia/suicide is not allowed.

In the case of being afraid to die, then paying to avoid this is also a means of leisure.

This would fall into the 'peace of mind' category. We are afraid of death so pay in order to not see it.

But when you say we are not allowed euthanasia or suicide that it an interesting topic.

If you were forced to pay in order to keep yourself alive (which may well be the case) then this would be a form of theft by the authorities.

Theft is not leisure for sure, but obviously in this case we are not choosing to pay out of our own free will.

Not a whole lot of leisure for the person barely living and having to pay for the ability to be barely living.

No, but it depends on whether this is a choice or not.

 

[blackout]

Sure it is.

Children are an extension of ourselves - when we make them happy and nourished we also nourish ourselves. This is most certainly a form of pleasure (and thus, leisure).
In the case of being afraid to die, then paying to avoid this is also a means of leisure.

This would fall into the 'peace of mind' category. We are afraid of death so pay in order to not see it.

But when you say we are not allowed euthanasia or suicide that it an interesting topic.

If you were force to pay in order to keep yourself alive (which may well be the case) then this would be a form of theft by the authorities.

Theft is not leisure for sure, but obviously in this case we are not choosing to pay so it is a different situation.

No, but it depends on whether this is a choice of not.

*thinks nnmartin should read the definition/s of leisure*

 

[nnmartin]

As I said....
housing and food for your children.

*how can this be?*

Perhaps this can be called a 'transference of leisure'.

We can work hard to provide food and shelter for our children thus giving them the freedom to not have to work themselves.

 

[blackout]

People do not have leisure time vicariously through their children.

They either ACTUALLY have leisure time
(ie, 'down time', time for themself--time to personally rest and relax--
'take it easy')
or they don't.


But you knew this already, I'm sure.

 

[blackout]

Perhaps this can be called a 'transference of leisure'.

We can work hard to provide food and shelter for our children thus giving them the freedom to not have to work themselves.

The schools will then make sure your children have only a pittance of leisure time
(ie., time for themselves- to do what THEY want)
when they're through with them.
Then there are all the chores that need to be done while the parent is off working
day and night.

That's a DAMN LOT of money and work
for some transferred and overreaching substitutionary notion of 'leisure'.
(did I forget 'dishonest'?)

I'm thinkin' most of us are killing ourselves
in hopes of staying alive just a little bit longer.
And not much better than a speculation.
It's a diminishing return.

 

[Kerr]

Definition of LEISURE

1
: freedom provided by the cessation of activities; especially : time free from work or duties

2
: ease, leisureliness

— leisure adjective
— at leisure or at one's leisure : in one's leisure time : at one's convenience <read the book at her leisure>




Examples of LEISURE

1. I don't have much time for leisure.
2. <upon retiring, the elderly couple looked forward to a life of well-deserved leisure>

Related to LEISURE
Synonyms: decompression, ease, 1rest, relaxation, repose
Antonyms: exertion, labor, toil, work

Thanks. I am not sure I would say that I train martial arts for the sake of leisure, I train it because I love it, even if its painful and hard work.

 

[Kerr]

Perhaps this can be called a 'transference of leisure'.

We can work hard to provide food and shelter for our children thus giving them the freedom to not have to work themselves.

You dont think not wanting our children to starve has anything to do with buying food for them?

 

[Hevenly Heathen]

I don't believe that just because one pays for basic needs to survive is leisure. To have leisure, one must be alive and being alive one may have time for leisure, but life does not equate to leisure, death would more equate leisure than life.

The OP seems to have very specific definitions it wishes us to follow. Perhaps you can outline them and we could all make more sense of it.