Evidence for “a god” at John 10:33

[TrueBeliever37]

Let me ask you a question, since you don't believe in a trinity. Perhaps I will discuss the scriptures you present later. Do you attend church services somewhere? If so, would you feel free to attend a church where a basis for belief is a triune godhead?

No I would not attend a trinitarian church, as I believe the trinity is a false doctrine. That would be worshipping multiple Gods. God would hold that against me, since I know better. We are to walk in all the understanding we have.

 

[TrueBeliever37]

Jesus knew he would be the judge of mankind into the resurrection. He was appointed to, given that position by the Father. Those putting faith in Jesus would be in good standing with God. Jesus was resurrected and then went to heaven.

The point was the one doing the judging, and the one sitting on the throne (who said he was God by the way Revelation 21:5-7) had to be the resurrected Messiah. Because he is to be the judge, and we are to stand before his judgment seat. Revelation 20:12 Romans 14:10-12

You are making the claim he is not God. But that is proof that he is.

In the Greek, Thomas said the God of me. John 20:28

This time please respond to the actual points I have made.

 

[YoursTrue]

No I would not attend a trinitarian church, as I believe the trinity is a false doctrine. That would be worshipping multiple Gods. God would hold that against me, since I know better. We are to walk in all the understanding we have.

OK, I'll buy that (for free).

 

[YoursTrue]

The point was the one doing the judging, and the one sitting on the throne (who said he was God by the way Revelation 21:5-7) had to be the resurrected Messiah. Because he is to be the judge, and we are to stand before his judgment seat. Revelation 20:12 Romans 14:10-12

You are making the claim he is not God. But that is proof that he is.

In the Greek, Thomas said the God of me. John 20:28

This time please respond to the actual points I have made.

That's right. Thomas may have said "the God of me." (I'm not looking at the Greek, but it still makes sense.) I am saying that Jesus is not "the God" of himself. Jesus HAS "a God." First of all, remember that Thomas was doubtful. Until he saw the resurrected Jesus. Thus he exclaimed in astonishment. Jesus did say all judging was to be done by him, he definitely is in the position of -- God. But not equal to His God and Father, who gave him that authority.
John 5:22 - New King James Version
For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son,
(The Father committted all judging to Jesus.) If I saw Jesus at this point I probably wouldn't call him my God, but I would certainly understand he has power over me given him by the Father. Then again, I might in my awe call him O Lord, but I would also know that his Father is GREATER than he. I might exclaim O Jehovah! in astonishment if I saw Jesus sitting on the throne because I love him so much, but I know he is not Jehovah. I also know Jesus would know what I meant.

 

[TrueBeliever37]

That's right. Thomas may have said "the God of me." (I'm not looking at the Greek, but it still makes sense.) I am saying that Jesus is not "the God" of himself. Jesus HAS "a God." First of all, remember that Thomas was doubtful. Until he saw the resurrected Jesus. Thus he exclaimed in astonishment. Jesus did say all judging was to be done by him, he definitely is in the position of -- God. But not equal to His God and Father, who gave him that authority.
John 5:22 - New King James Version
For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son,
(The Father committted all judging to Jesus.) If I saw Jesus at this point I probably wouldn't call him my God, but I would certainly understand he has power over me given him by the Father. Then again, I might in my awe call him O Lord, but I would also know that his Father is GREATER than he. I might exclaim O Jehovah! in astonishment if I saw Jesus sitting on the throne because I love him so much, but I know he is not Jehovah. I also know Jesus would know what I meant.

The eternal Spirit was the God of that flesh. But once again it is not two separate persons. Just a distinction between flesh and Spirit.

1) Think about it logically. The Son is the one who will judge us. Romans 14:10-12 So that means the resurrected Son was the one John saw on the throne in Revelation 20:12 doing the judging, and the one on the throne said he was God. Revelation 21:5-7 He said he was God - why don't you believe him?

2) He was in the world and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. John 1:10
He came unto his own and his own received him not. John 1:11

Who is the "he" and "him" referring to in these verses? (Keep in mind that - YHWH said he made all things. He said he was alone and by himself. ) Isaiah 44:24

Our English translations say that every knee will bow and every tongue confess that he is "Lord". If they would have left the name alone, it would say they will confess he is YHWH.

 

[Dogknox20]

No I would not attend a trinitarian church, as I believe the trinity is a false doctrine. That would be worshipping multiple Gods. God would hold that against me, since I know better. We are to walk in all the understanding we have.

Hello TrueBeliever37 good to meet you.... I have a few things to point out... First... All Jews believe there is ONLY one God (1) Elizabeth (a Jew) greeted Mary in Luke 1 with>>>
43 But why am I so favored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
>>> Mother of my Lord <<<< can only mean "Mother of my God"! EVERY...
TrueBeliever37 every place in the whole of Luke 1 the word "LORD" means God! I count a least eleven times the word "LORD" means God! Elizabeth a JEW would be blaspheming to believe there was another God other then the one God she believes in! Not one place in the whole of Luke 1 that the word LORD does not mean "GOD"!
Example...
11 Then an angel of the Lord appeared to him, standing at the right side of the altar of incense.
15 for he will be great in the sight of the Lord. He is never to take wine or other fermented drink, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit even before he is born.
17 And he will go on before the Lord, in the spirit and power of Elijah, to turn the hearts of the parents to their children and the disobedient to the wisdom of the righteous—to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.”
25 “The Lord has done this for me,” she said. “In these days he has shown his favor and taken away my disgrace among the people.”
32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David,
38 “I am the Lord’s servant,” Mary answered. “May your word to me be fulfilled.” Then the angel left her.
etc
Mary is the Mother of God!
Second...
Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.
Matthew 1:23 “The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel” (which means “God with us”).
TrueBeliever37 The Old Testament tells you "God with us" thus Jesus is God! I point out again.. The Jews believe in ONE and ONLY ONE God the Old Testament can only mean ONE GOD not "A god"!

Third.... I must point out in the scriptures we read They worship Jesus! Jesus never stops them from worshiping him! Jesus knows beyond all doubt; Worship is ONLY for God he told Satan in the desert this fact!
Matthew 4:10 Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’”

Fourth... Jesus is called "Mighty God" & "Our Savior"!
Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
&
Isaiah 43:3 “For I am Jehovah your God, the Holy One of Israel your Savior. I have given Egypt as a ransom for you, Ethiopia and Seba in place of you.”
Titus 1:4 “May there be undeserved kindness and peace from God [the] Father and Christ Jesus our Savior”.

 

[Dogknox20]

The eternal Spirit was the God of that flesh. But once again it is not two separate persons. Just a distinction between flesh and Spirit.

1) Think about it logically. The Son is the one who will judge us. Romans 14:10-12 So that means the resurrected Son was the one John saw on the throne in Revelation 20:12 doing the judging, and the one on the throne said he was God. Revelation 21:5-7 He said he was God - why don't you believe him?

2) He was in the world and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. John 1:10
He came unto his own and his own received him not. John 1:11

Who is the "he" and "him" referring to in these verses? (Keep in mind that - YHWH said he made all things. He said he was alone and by himself. ) Isaiah 44:24

Our English translations say that every knee will bow and every tongue confess that he is "Lord". If they would have left the name alone, it would say they will confess he is YHWH.

Psalm 99: 4 The King is mighty, he loves justice—
you have established equity;
in Jacob you have done
what is just and right.
5 Exalt the Lord our God
and worship at his footstool;
he is holy.

Hebrews 1:13 To which of the angels did God ever say, “Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet”?

 

[YoursTrue]

The eternal Spirit was the God of that flesh. But once again it is not two separate persons. Just a distinction between flesh and Spirit.

1) Think about it logically. The Son is the one who will judge us. Romans 14:10-12 So that means the resurrected Son was the one John saw on the throne in Revelation 20:12 doing the judging, and the one on the throne said he was God. Revelation 21:5-7 He said he was God - why don't you believe him?

2) He was in the world and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. John 1:10
He came unto his own and his own received him not. John 1:11

Who is the "he" and "him" referring to in these verses? (Keep in mind that - YHWH said he made all things. He said he was alone and by himself. ) Isaiah 44:24

Our English translations say that every knee will bow and every tongue confess that he is "Lord". If they would have left the name alone, it would say they will confess he is YHWH.

Hi. You said "the eternal Spirit was the God of that flesh. But once again it is not two separate persons. Just a distinction between flesh and Spirit." Well, I'm afraid I don't understand that comment, so I can't follow your reasoning about that.

 

[YoursTrue]

Hello TrueBeliever37 good to meet you.... I have a few things to point out... First... All Jews believe there is ONLY one God (1) Elizabeth (a Jew) greeted Mary in Luke 1 with>>>
43 But why am I so favored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
>>> Mother of my Lord <<<< can only mean "Mother of my God"! EVERY...
TrueBeliever37 every place in the whole of Luke 1 the word "LORD" means God! I count a least eleven times the word "LORD" means God! Elizabeth a JEW would be blaspheming to believe there was another God other then the one God she believes in! Not one place in the whole of Luke 1 that the word LORD does not mean "GOD"!
Example...
11 Then an angel of the Lord appeared to him, standing at the right side of the altar of incense.
15 for he will be great in the sight of the Lord. He is never to take wine or other fermented drink, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit even before he is born.
17 And he will go on before the Lord, in the spirit and power of Elijah, to turn the hearts of the parents to their children and the disobedient to the wisdom of the righteous—to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.”
25 “The Lord has done this for me,” she said. “In these days he has shown his favor and taken away my disgrace among the people.”
32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David,
38 “I am the Lord’s servant,” Mary answered. “May your word to me be fulfilled.” Then the angel left her.
etc
Mary is the Mother of God!
Second...
Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.
Matthew 1:23 “The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel” (which means “God with us”).
TrueBeliever37 The Old Testament tells you "God with us" thus Jesus is God! I point out again.. The Jews believe in ONE and ONLY ONE God the Old Testament can only mean ONE GOD not "A god"!

Third.... I must point out in the scriptures we read They worship Jesus! Jesus never stops them from worshiping him! Jesus knows beyond all doubt; Worship is ONLY for God he told Satan in the desert this fact!
Matthew 4:10 Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’”

Fourth... Jesus is called "Mighty God" & "Our Savior"!
Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
&
Isaiah 43:3 “For I am Jehovah your God, the Holy One of Israel your Savior. I have given Egypt as a ransom for you, Ethiopia and Seba in place of you.”
Titus 1:4 “May there be undeserved kindness and peace from God [the] Father and Christ Jesus our Savior”.

Please note that it is written the child WILL BE called savior. Jesus died. He was resurrected. God cannot die. When he was resurrected he was seen by many.

 

[Dogknox20]

Please note that it is written the child WILL BE called savior. Jesus died. He was resurrected. God cannot die. When he was resurrected he was seen by many.

YoursTrue Thank you for your post... "Yes you are right; God cannot die because God is perfect God is without blemish and without sin"!
God became a man so he could die as a man! FACT: You can't die as a man unless you are first born as A MAN! God with us.. Immanuel - God was born for the one purpose and that is to die! God became part of his own creation as a man!

2 Cor 5:21 Christ had no sin, but God made him become sin so that in Christ we could be right with God.

YoursTrue with all respect think.... The first man Adam was perfect he was also without sin, Adam made a free will choice his choice was sin! The first perfect man then became imperfect corrupted! We are all the descendances of Adam the first perfect man became a corrupted man; Adam died! Scriptures are very clear.. "The wages of sin is death"!
Jesus was without sin... Jesus popped up out of the grave as a cork would rise up in a pool of water! Again.. "The wages of sin is death" Jesus was sinless death had no hold of him! FACT: (again more facts) no one can die twice; you can't even kill a stinking no good for nothing old mangey dog two times even a stinking dog can only die one time! Jesus died and resurrected from death, Jesus rose never ever to die again (Jesus has been there and done that) WHAT....
YoursTrue what we have to do is get ourselves IMMERSED into the risen body of Jesus! IF...
If you get yourself immersed into the risen body of the resurrected Jesus you will live forever! Look (below verse) 3000 were added to the body of Jesus the first day of Pentecost, three thousand were saved! !
40 With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, “Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.” 41 Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.

Jesus is the "Unblemished Passover Lamb"! The sacrificed Passover Lamb must be eaten.

Isaiah 53:7 He was oppressed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; he was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before its shearers is silent, so he did not open his mouth.
John 1:36 When he saw Jesus passing by, he said, “Look, the Lamb of God!”
1 Cor 5:7 Get rid of the old yeast, so that you may be a new unleavened batch—as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed.
&
Rev 5:6 Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing at the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. The Lamb had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth.

 

[YoursTrue]

YoursTrue Thank you for your post... "Yes you are right; God cannot die because God is perfect God is without blemish and without sin"!
God became a man so he could die as a man! FACT: You can't die as a man unless you are first born as A MAN! God with us.. Immanuel - God was born for the one purpose and that is to die! God became part of his own creation as a man!

2 Cor 5:21 Christ had no sin, but God made him become sin so that in Christ we could be right with God.

YoursTrue with all respect think.... The first man Adam was perfect he was also without sin, Adam made a free will choice his choice was sin! The first perfect man then became imperfect corrupted! We are all the descendances of Adam the first perfect man became a corrupted man; Adam died! Scriptures are very clear.. "The wages of sin is death"!
Jesus was without sin... Jesus popped up out of the grave as a cork would rise up in a pool of water! Again.. "The wages of sin is death" Jesus was sinless death had no hold of him! FACT: (again more facts) no one can die twice; you can't even kill a stinking no good for nothing old mangey dog two times even a stinking dog can only die one time! Jesus died and resurrected from death, Jesus rose never ever to die again (Jesus has been there and done that) WHAT....
YoursTrue what we have to do is get ourselves IMMERSED into the risen body of Jesus! IF...
If you get yourself immersed into the risen body of the resurrected Jesus you will live forever! Look (below verse) 3000 were added to the body of Jesus the first day of Pentecost, three thousand were saved! !
40 With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, “Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.” 41 Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.

Jesus is the "Unblemished Passover Lamb"! The sacrificed Passover Lamb must be eaten.

Isaiah 53:7 He was oppressed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; he was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before its shearers is silent, so he did not open his mouth.
John 1:36 When he saw Jesus passing by, he said, “Look, the Lamb of God!”
1 Cor 5:7 Get rid of the old yeast, so that you may be a new unleavened batch—as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed.
&
Rev 5:6 Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing at the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. The Lamb had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth.

As we know God cannot be tempted. Therefore, for "God" to die in the flesh certainly doesn't make sense to me. Adam did not remain flawless. Jesus did.

 

[YoursTrue]

YoursTrue Thank you for your post... "Yes you are right; God cannot die because God is perfect God is without blemish and without sin"!
God became a man so he could die as a man! FACT: You can't die as a man unless you are first born as A MAN! God with us.. Immanuel - God was born for the one purpose and that is to die! God became part of his own creation as a man!

2 Cor 5:21 Christ had no sin, but God made him become sin so that in Christ we could be right with God.

YoursTrue with all respect think.... The first man Adam was perfect he was also without sin, Adam made a free will choice his choice was sin! The first perfect man then became imperfect corrupted! We are all the descendances of Adam the first perfect man became a corrupted man; Adam died! Scriptures are very clear.. "The wages of sin is death"!
Jesus was without sin... Jesus popped up out of the grave as a cork would rise up in a pool of water! Again.. "The wages of sin is death" Jesus was sinless death had no hold of him! FACT: (again more facts) no one can die twice; you can't even kill a stinking no good for nothing old mangey dog two times even a stinking dog can only die one time! Jesus died and resurrected from death, Jesus rose never ever to die again (Jesus has been there and done that) WHAT....
YoursTrue what we have to do is get ourselves IMMERSED into the risen body of Jesus! IF...
If you get yourself immersed into the risen body of the resurrected Jesus you will live forever! Look (below verse) 3000 were added to the body of Jesus the first day of Pentecost, three thousand were saved! !
40 With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, “Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.” 41 Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.

Jesus is the "Unblemished Passover Lamb"! The sacrificed Passover Lamb must be eaten.

Isaiah 53:7 He was oppressed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; he was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before its shearers is silent, so he did not open his mouth.
John 1:36 When he saw Jesus passing by, he said, “Look, the Lamb of God!”
1 Cor 5:7 Get rid of the old yeast, so that you may be a new unleavened batch—as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed.
&
Rev 5:6 Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing at the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. The Lamb had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth.

"God with us," (Immanuel) does not mean that "God-in-the-flesh" is with us. It means that God is on our side. Jesus was the Messiah, the one God sent so that all those having faith in the benefit of his life and death can attain everlasting life.

 

[Soapy]

"God with us," (Immanuel) does not mean that "God-in-the-flesh" is with us. It means that God is on our side. Jesus was the Messiah, the one God sent so that all those having faith in the benefit of his life and death can attain everlasting life.

This is true. God spoke his word in Isaiah 42:1 saying:

• ‘Behold my servant whom I have chosen, my beloved on whom I will put my spirit. He shall succeed and bring justice to the nations’

Our God, YHWH, ... our God, who is our ONLY GOD (it is best to avoid saying ‘One God’... say, ‘Only God’!!) S E N T many great men to speak His Word to his nation (Israelites/Hebrews/Jews).

These men were mighty in His Word... like Abraham, Moses, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Joseph, David, Solomon, Ezekiel, Micah, Joel, Samson, Simeon, Daniel, ... you get the idea... and for this reason YHWH called them ‘GODS’.

Now you notice that I use the NAME of our only God (YHWH). And I say He is ‘God’. But then I say that the Holy men who received and acted on YHWH’s word are ALSO ‘God’s!!

Are you amazed? Am I lying? Am I crazy?? A pagan???

No!! ‘God’ is a TITLE... let me say it again... THE WORD : “GOD”... IS A TITLE...!!!

Are you getting it yet?

A title has a MEANING... and can be applied to MANY PERSONS OR THINGS (many entities) AND MODIFIED ONLY:

1. IF prefaced with a DEFINITE ARTICLE (‘The’) or
2. an INDEFINITE ARTICLE (‘A’/‘An’), or
3. if singular or plural, or
4. if NAMED EXPLICITLY

Therefore we need to understand what the TITLE, “God”, means and whether it is used as defined above.

It is clear, therefore, that when YHWH called men of renown in his name, ‘Gods’, you can see that he means that they were:

1. Mighty / Mighty One
2. Majestic
3. Powerful
4. Encompassing
5. Glorious
6. Heroic
7. Prodigious / Remarkable / Impressive
8. (All of the above IN CONTEXT of the constraint of the flesh)

So YHWH was not calling them ‘Worshipful Deities’ as He is a ‘Worshipful Deity’, for He is Spirit and they were Flesh! Notice also that there were MANY SUCH MEN who were (8) in His Word therefore it is PLURAL ‘God persons’ (“Gods”).

So, BECAUSE we believe in ONLY ONE it has BECOME NORMALISED to refer to YHWH by His TITLE (“God”) alone - we need no other differentiation as there is ONLY ONE.

Think of a room full of ‘presidents’ of businesses and companies HEADED UP by the president of the USA (say!). If someone in the room wishes to speak to the USA president he need ONLY SAY, “President, ......” and EVERYONE knows whom he is referring to DESPITE there being MANY presidents (in their own context!!!!) in the room... We should expect so - but someone will always raise a claim of ‘not knowing WHICH President was being referred to’..
So wouldn’t it be better, just to resolve any confusion, to call the USA president by his name? Well, overuse of ‘Donald’ would make the GREAT PRESIDENT too familiar to the lesser presidents... too INFORMAL... and informality can lead to ABUSE.... which is EXACTLY why the Jews refrained from using the NAME OF THEIR / OUR ONLY GOD and devolved it to saying the TITLE, “God”, only!

Of course, by only using the TITLE over and over and over, the MEANING is LOST, and the TITLE becomes a NAME... and the NAME becomes THE PERSON... meaning that the WORD, “God” now becomes a PERSON and all confusion reigns whenever the word, and title, “God”, is used by anyone, anywhere.

Consider that trinity believers claim that ‘Jesus is God’ because “God said to him ‘O God, your throne is an everlasting throne’ ” in some verse in scriptures.... Replace ‘God’ with the definition... “YHWH said to him ‘O YHWH, your throne is an everlasting throne’ ”... yeah, silly, eh?

The trinity person would disagree by DIFFERENTIATING the first “God” from the “O God”... while still confusingly claiming that the two “Gods” were the SAME ONE GOD!!

But what if we DIFFERENTIATED by NAME and definition:

• “YHWH said to him ‘O Mighty one, your throne is an everlasting throne’ “

We can see clearly that there are two definite persons, one clearly greater than the other (other evidence attests this, e.g. YHWH says that He will establish the everlasting throne of the one whose throne is stated). And ALSO, we know that the words were spoken TO KING DAVID... and that it is the throne of King David (clearly a Spiritual throne) that is TO BE established everlastingly... certainly, YHWH is not calling King David, “DEITY” “God”... but that King David was a MIGHTY HERO MAJESTIC IS HIS GLORIOUSNESS in context of his fleshly constraints... as stated, YHWH in all pleasure said of him “I have found my David” (but we know that David let YHWH down by sinning by killing Uriah and taking his wife!!)

Sorry, I know this is a long explanation but I hope you see how the misuse of the word, and title, “God” has led to too much confusion in the Christian scriptures and belief in “THE ONLY TRUE GOD” deity.

 

[TrueBeliever37]

YoursTrue Thank you for your post... "Yes you are right; God cannot die because God is perfect God is without blemish and without sin"!
God became a man so he could die as a man! FACT: You can't die as a man unless you are first born as A MAN! God with us.. Immanuel - God was born for the one purpose and that is to die! God became part of his own creation as a man!

2 Cor 5:21 Christ had no sin, but God made him become sin so that in Christ we could be right with God.

YoursTrue with all respect think.... The first man Adam was perfect he was also without sin, Adam made a free will choice his choice was sin! The first perfect man then became imperfect corrupted! We are all the descendances of Adam the first perfect man became a corrupted man; Adam died! Scriptures are very clear.. "The wages of sin is death"!
Jesus was without sin... Jesus popped up out of the grave as a cork would rise up in a pool of water! Again.. "The wages of sin is death" Jesus was sinless death had no hold of him! FACT: (again more facts) no one can die twice; you can't even kill a stinking no good for nothing old mangey dog two times even a stinking dog can only die one time! Jesus died and resurrected from death, Jesus rose never ever to die again (Jesus has been there and done that) WHAT....
YoursTrue what we have to do is get ourselves IMMERSED into the risen body of Jesus! IF...
If you get yourself immersed into the risen body of the resurrected Jesus you will live forever! Look (below verse) 3000 were added to the body of Jesus the first day of Pentecost, three thousand were saved! !
40 With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, “Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.” 41 Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.

Jesus is the "Unblemished Passover Lamb"! The sacrificed Passover Lamb must be eaten.

Isaiah 53:7 He was oppressed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; he was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before its shearers is silent, so he did not open his mouth.
John 1:36 When he saw Jesus passing by, he said, “Look, the Lamb of God!”
1 Cor 5:7 Get rid of the old yeast, so that you may be a new unleavened batch—as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed.
&
Rev 5:6 Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing at the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. The Lamb had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth.

Hi Dogknox,

I am definitely interested in these last few posts that have been made. However I am leaving for a short trip and will try to respond when I return.

One thing I did notice right away that I may disagree with you about, is your statement that God became a man. I guess it depends on what you mean by that. I don't believe the Spirit of God turned into a man. God made himself a body to dwell in and sacrifice for man's sin, and called that body his Son.

 

[Dogknox20]

As we know God cannot be tempted. Therefore, for "God" to die in the flesh certainly doesn't make sense to me. Adam did not remain flawless. Jesus did.

YoursTrue I hope all is well... I reply... Yes you are right God cannot be tempted...
9 “All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.”
10 Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’

QUESTION... Do you read (above) Jesus caving in to temptation? NO!
Jesus said... "Get behind me Satan!" AGAIN.. God cannot be tempted; Jesus is God!

YoursTrue Again you are right... Adam did not remain flawless. Jesus did. Only God is perfect "SINLESS"! Jesus resurrected because he was "SINLESS" only God is perfect without sin! The wages of sin is death Adam died, Jesus did not!

God died in the flesh as a MAN so he could undo the sin of Adam... Adam brought death Jesus the perfect man brought life! Jesus destroyed death on the cross he restored life in his resurrection!

 

[Dogknox20]

"God with us," (Immanuel) does not mean that "God-in-the-flesh" is with us. It means that God is on our side. Jesus was the Messiah, the one God sent so that all those having faith in the benefit of his life and death can attain everlasting life.

Immanuel means "GOD WITH US"! It means the baby was born God god in the flesh!
Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.
YoursTrue do you see the verse above...birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel QUESTION.. what does Immanuel mean!?

Matthew 1:23 “The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel” (which means “God with us”).
QUESTION.. What does Immanuel mean!? QUESTION: Call WHO Immanuel?

YoursTrue Jesus has total and absolute knowledge of Jehovah:
Matthew 11:27 “All things have been delivered to me by my Father, and no one fully knows the Son but the Father, neither does anyone fully know the Father but the Son and anyone to whom the Son is willing to reveal him”.
YoursTrue Jesus is the visible image of the invisible Jehovah: Col 1:15 “He is the image of the invisible God”.
Heb 1:1-3 “God, who long ago spoke on many occasions and in many ways to our forefathers by means of the prophets, has at the end of these days spoken to us by means of a Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the system of things. He is the reflection of [his] glory and the exact representation of his very being”.

YoursTrue Jesus acts in complete accord with Jehovah: John 5:19 “Therefore, in answer, Jesus went on to say to them: ‘Most truly I say to you. The Son cannot do a single thing of his own initiative, but only what he beholds the Father doing. For whatever things that One does, these things the Son also does in like manner’ ”.

YoursTrue Jesus is the power and wisdom of Jehovah: 1 Cor 1:23-24 “. . . but we preach Christ impaled, to the Jews a cause for stumbling but to the nations foolishness; however, to those who are the called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God”.

YoursTrue Jesus is unchanging as Jehovah is unchanging:
Malachi 3:6 Heb 13:8 “Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever”.

YoursTrue Jesus is to receive the very same honor as Jehovah: John 5:22-23 “For the Father judges no one at all, but he has committed all the judging to the Son, in order that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father”.

Rev 5:14 “And every creature that is in heaven and on earth and underneath the earth and on the sea, and all the things in them, I heard saying: ‘To the One sitting on the throne and to the Lamb be the blessing and the honor and the glory and the might forever and ever.’ And the four living creatures went saying: ‘Amen!’ and the elders fell down and worshiped”.

YoursTrue Jesus possesses the same glory as Jehovah: John 17:5 “So now you, Father, glorify me alongside yourself with the glory that I had alongside you before the world was”.

YoursTrue Jesus himself said he was equal to Jehovah: John 5:18 “On this account, indeed, the Jews began seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath but he was also calling God his own Father, making himself equal to God”. John 10:30 “I and the Father are one”.

YoursTrue Jesus and Jehovah have identical possessions: John 16:15 “All the things that the Father has are mine”. John 17:9-10 “I make request concerning them; I make request, not concerning the world, but concerning those you have given me; because they are yours, and all my things are yours and yours are mine, and I have been glorified among them”.

 

[YoursTrue]

YoursTrue I hope all is well... I reply... Yes you are right God cannot be tempted...
9 “All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.”
10 Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’

QUESTION... Do you read (above) Jesus caving in to temptation? NO!
Jesus said... "Get behind me Satan!" AGAIN.. God cannot be tempted; Jesus is God!

YoursTrue Again you are right... Adam did not remain flawless. Jesus did. Only God is perfect "SINLESS"! Jesus resurrected because he was "SINLESS" only God is perfect without sin! The wages of sin is death Adam died, Jesus did not!

God died in the flesh as a MAN so he could undo the sin of Adam... Adam brought death Jesus the perfect man brought life! Jesus destroyed death on the cross he restored life in his resurrection!

For someone to be resurrected, he has to die first. Then he's resurrected.

 

[YoursTrue]

Immanuel means "GOD WITH US"! It means the baby was born God god in the flesh!
Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.
YoursTrue do you see the verse above...birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel QUESTION.. what does Immanuel mean!?

Matthew 1:23 “The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel” (which means “God with us”).
QUESTION.. What does Immanuel mean!? QUESTION: Call WHO Immanuel?

YoursTrue Jesus has total and absolute knowledge of Jehovah:
Matthew 11:27 “All things have been delivered to me by my Father, and no one fully knows the Son but the Father, neither does anyone fully know the Father but the Son and anyone to whom the Son is willing to reveal him”.
YoursTrue Jesus is the visible image of the invisible Jehovah: Col 1:15 “He is the image of the invisible God”.
Heb 1:1-3 “God, who long ago spoke on many occasions and in many ways to our forefathers by means of the prophets, has at the end of these days spoken to us by means of a Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the system of things. He is the reflection of [his] glory and the exact representation of his very being”.

YoursTrue Jesus acts in complete accord with Jehovah: John 5:19 “Therefore, in answer, Jesus went on to say to them: ‘Most truly I say to you. The Son cannot do a single thing of his own initiative, but only what he beholds the Father doing. For whatever things that One does, these things the Son also does in like manner’ ”.

YoursTrue Jesus is the power and wisdom of Jehovah: 1 Cor 1:23-24 “. . . but we preach Christ impaled, to the Jews a cause for stumbling but to the nations foolishness; however, to those who are the called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God”.

YoursTrue Jesus is unchanging as Jehovah is unchanging:
Malachi 3:6 Heb 13:8 “Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever”.

YoursTrue Jesus is to receive the very same honor as Jehovah: John 5:22-23 “For the Father judges no one at all, but he has committed all the judging to the Son, in order that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father”.

Rev 5:14 “And every creature that is in heaven and on earth and underneath the earth and on the sea, and all the things in them, I heard saying: ‘To the One sitting on the throne and to the Lamb be the blessing and the honor and the glory and the might forever and ever.’ And the four living creatures went saying: ‘Amen!’ and the elders fell down and worshiped”.

YoursTrue Jesus possesses the same glory as Jehovah: John 17:5 “So now you, Father, glorify me alongside yourself with the glory that I had alongside you before the world was”.

YoursTrue Jesus himself said he was equal to Jehovah: John 5:18 “On this account, indeed, the Jews began seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath but he was also calling God his own Father, making himself equal to God”. John 10:30 “I and the Father are one”.

YoursTrue Jesus and Jehovah have identical possessions: John 16:15 “All the things that the Father has are mine”. John 17:9-10 “I make request concerning them; I make request, not concerning the world, but concerning those you have given me; because they are yours, and all my things are yours and yours are mine, and I have been glorified among them”.

Jesus was one with the Father. It does not mean he was the Father. A wife is one with her husband. It does not mean she is the husband.

 

[Dogknox20]

Jesus was one with the Father. It does not mean he was the Father. A wife is one with her husband. It does not mean she is the husband.

YoursTrue good point they are different. Scriptures also tell you "I am in the father & the father is in me!" Scriptures also tell you "The WORD" (God) became man and lived among us! THINK: Scriptures are clear "God is love"! No one can love themselves! God is perfect if he was to love himself he would be selfish he would not be perfect, he would not be God.. God needed another to love to be Perfect love! If there is perfect love there needs to be TWO or the love would not be perfect! "In the beginning was the word the word was with God and the word was God!"

 

[TiggerII]

YoursTrue good point they are different. Scriptures also tell you "I am in the father & the father is in me!" Scriptures also tell you "The WORD" (God) became man and lived among us! THINK: Scriptures are clear "God is love"! No one can love themselves! God is perfect if he was to love himself he would be selfish he would not be perfect, he would not be God.. God needed another to love to be Perfect love! If there is perfect love there needs to be TWO or the love would not be perfect! "In the beginning was the word the word was with God and the word was God!"

My personal studies of John 1:1c:
http://examiningthetrinity.blogspot.com/2009/09/john-11c-primer_21.html


http://examiningthetrinity.blogspot.com/2013/02/seven-lessons-for-john-11c-a.html