Evidence For And Against Evolution

[shunyadragon]

Ok thanks for that amazing and colorfull video.

So just to be clear, how do you go from stage a to stage b and from b to c etc...? Do bacteria go from stage a to stage via 1 single mutation or do you need many mutations to go from a to b?.... O yea I forgot, you don't answer to direct questions.
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Direct answer given here and the scientific literature you refuse to read and understand. O yes, I forgot, you lack the education to understand what you are unwilling to read.

I made that very clear and so does the video. Stage a evolves to stage b based on the genetic diversity in a and selective advantage of b based on improved ability to see and survive. Stage b evolves to stage c based on the genetic diversity in b and selective advantage of c based on improved ability to see and survive.

Remember, the individual random genetic mutations have no causal effect on evolution they only contribute to the genetic diversity in populations. Selective pressures of adaptation, such as improved visual abilities needed to survive are the cause of natural selection and therefore evolution.

 

[leroy]

First, a basic misunderstanding without knowledge of science. The only thing that is random about mutations is the randomness of individual mutations within the possible range of mutations. The process of genetic mutations and genetic drift is NOT random. The total mutations only develop the genetic diversity in a population and lead to genetic drift. Evolution occurs when there is an advantage for natural selection within the genetic diversity of the population. Not ot acknowledge this very basic knowledge of genetics, which apparently Behe and you lack.

Actually yes, but you still have presented false assumptions of design and no hypothesis presented by Behe and other ID proponents that natural evolution.



All you have to show?!?!?!!? Both Behe and you are arguing from the negative.which again, again and again . . is not falsifiable. The science of evolution has shown the paths to the formation and the flagellum and eye, and the genetic steps involved. There is most definitely demonstrated a path of natural selection that has been demonstrated, because the different paths of the variations of the flagellum and the steps of the evolution of the eye have natural selection advantages.

Again . . . Still waiting. . .

What is your scientific qualifications to understand the scientific literature involved.

Note how you didn't adress the point that I made, all you have is stupid and silly semantic games and unsupported assertions

What is your scientific qualifications to understand the scientific literature involved

None, that is why I am asking questions.

How do you evolve a flagelum or an eye trough the mechanism of random mutations and natural selection (and genetic drift)?

You do not have to show that these systems evolved from a preexisting simpler system because I would agree with that point.... You don't have to show that there are viable intermidiate stages because I would agree with that point......

 

[leroy]

Direct answer given here and the scientific literature you refuse to read and understand. O yes, I forgot, you lack the education to understand what you are unwilling to read.

I made that very clear and so does the video. Stage a evolves to stage b based on the genetic diversity in a and selective advantage of b based on improved ability to see and survive. Stage b evolves to stage c based on the genetic diversity in a and selective advantage of c based on improved ability to see and survive.

Remember, the individual random genetic mutations have no causal effect on evolution they only contribute to the genetic diversity in populations. Selective pressures of adaptation, such as improved visual abilities needed to survive are the cause of natural selection and therefore evolution.

Ok but you are not answering the question, do bacteria go from a to b via 1 mutation or by many mutations?

 

[shunyadragon]

Some organisms can exist either as free-living zooids or can cluster together and specialize, forming multicellular organisms with specialized tissues or organs. https://www.reference.com/science/colonial-organisms-d15426900a13f952

The Life Kingdom Protista is interesting, because it contain fungi-like, plant-like and animal-like organisms that range from unicellular to colonial species. This kingdom is consider the transitional species from the more primitive Bacteria and Archaea to the more complex life forms.

 

[shunyadragon]

Note how you didn't adress the point that I made, all you have is stupid and silly semantic games and unsupported assertions



None, that is why I am asking questions.

How do you evolve a flagelum or an eye trough the mechanism of random mutations and natural selection (and genetic drift)?

You do not have to show that these systems evolved from a preexisting simpler system because I would agree with that point.... You don't have to show that there are viable intermidiate stages because I would agree with that point......

Again . . . you have not responded. The mechanism is NOT individual random mutations. Individual random mutations only contribute to the genetic diversity in populations.

Direct answer given here and the scientific literature you refuse to read and understand. O yes, I forgot, you lack the education to understand what you are unwilling to read.

I made that very clear and so does the video. Stage a evolves to stage b based on the genetic diversity in a and selective advantage of b based on improved ability to see and survive. Stage b evolves to stage c based on the genetic diversity in a and selective advantage of c based on improved ability to see and survive.

Remember, the individual random genetic mutations have no causal effect on evolution they only contribute to the genetic diversity in populations. Selective pressures of adaptation, such as improved visual abilities needed to survive are the cause of natural selection and therefore evolution.

Please respond . . .

 

[shunyadragon]

Ok but you are not answering the question, do bacteria go from a to b via 1 mutation or by many mutations?

The number of mutations is not the case. It can one or many. It is the genetic diversity in the populations that leads to the genetic drift. The selective pressures of advantage in natural selection that leads to evolution.

 

[McBell]

do bacteria go from a to b via 1 mutation or by many mutations?

Yes

 

[leroy]

The number of mutations is not the case. It can one or many. It is the genetic diversity in the populations that leads to the genetic drift. The selective pressures of advantage in natural selection that leads to evolution.

Once again you answered with something irrelevant that has nothing to do with my question

 

[Subduction Zone]

Ok thanks for that amazing and colorfull video.

So just to be clear, how do you go from stage a to stage b and from b to c etc...? Do bacteria go from stage a to stage via 1 single mutation or do you need many mutations to go from a to b?.... O yea I forgot, you don't answer to direct questions.
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First off apologize for the lie. You cannot ask proper questions.

 

[leroy]

Again . . . you have not responded. The mechanism is NOT individual random mutations. Individual random mutations only contribute to the genetic diversity in populations.

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Yes yes that is the point, your claim is that random mutations created the diversity, so please support your claim...... . Or correct me perhaps this is a strawman perhaps you are not making such a claim.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Once you answered with something irrelevant that has nothing to do with my question

An inability to understand an answer does not mean that one was not given to you.

There is a reason that people do not answer many of your questions and it is not because they do not have an answer.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yes yes that is the point, your claim is that random mutations created the diversity, so please support your claim...... . Or correct me perhaps this is a strawman perhaps you are not making such a claim.

Why would someone need to support the claim that if you picked up a rock and let it go that it would fall?

 

[leroy]

First off apologize for the lie. You cannot ask proper questions.

Lie? What lie? If I apologize would you provide a direct answer?

 

[shunyadragon]

Yes yes that is the point, your claim is that random mutations created the diversity, so please support your claim...... . Or correct me perhaps this is a strawman perhaps you are not making such a claim.

I indeed answered your first question. Now you asked another, no problem.

It is matter of fact of direct objective evidence in genetics that mutations result in a diversity in the genetics of the populations. This is very very basic genetics. This currently happening and observed now. You can simply take a genetics course and observe it yourself. As I said, What is your education that you will understand the very basics of the science of genetics and chemistry involved?

Still waiting . . .

 

[leroy]

There is a reason that people do not answer many of your questions and it is not because they do not have an answer.

Well I think I am asking a valid question, I saw the video and I saw how the flagelum evolved from preexisting systems. It is just that it wasn't clear to me if the stages represented "1 mutation steps" or if the stages require many mutations.... Quite honestly I don't see why is this question improper I am just asking a question related to an specific detail that I didn't understand.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Lie? What lie? If I apologize would you provide a direct answer?

You have been given direct answer after direct answer. You lack the education to understand them and blame others for your lack.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Well I think I am asking a valid question, I saw the video and I saw how the flagelum evolved from preexisting systems. It is just that it wasn't clear to me if the stages represented "1 mutation steps" or if the stages require many mutations.... Quite honestly I don't see why is this question improper I am just asking a question related to an specific detail that I didn't understand.

As many have point out, you are not asking proper questions.

Try again.

 

[leroy]

I indeed answered your first question. Now you asked another, no problem.

It is matter of fact of direct objective evidence in genetics that mutations result in a diversity in the genetics of the populations. This is very very basic genetics. This currently happening and observed now. You can simply take a genetics course and observe it yourself. As I said, What is your education that you will understand the very basics of the science of genetics and chemistry involved?

Still waiting . . .

As I said before, I have no education in science this is why I am asking questions and this is why I am willing to accept the coclutions of peer reviewed articles. As you made it clear I am in no position to "correct" brilliant scientists that went trough the process of peer review

Sure random mutations can create diversity,....... the question is, can they create the diversity required to create a flagelum or an eye from the preexisting systems described in the videos?

 

[Subduction Zone]

As I said before, I have no education in science this is why I am asking questions and this is why I am willing to accept the coclutions of peer reviewed articles. As you made it clear I am in no position to "correct" brilliant scientists that went trough the process of peer review

Sure random mutations can create diversity,....... the question is, can they create the diversity required to create a flagelum or an eye from the preexisting systems described in the videos?

Yes. Why did you not read the paper that the video was based upon? The video is a very very shortened version.

Here is a question that you need to answer:

Can you describe the different sorts of mutations involved in evolution?

 

[shunyadragon]

Well I think I am asking a valid question, I saw the video and I saw how the flagelum evolved from preexisting systems. It is just that it wasn't clear to me if the stages represented "1 mutation steps" or if the stages require many mutations.... Quite honestly I don't see why is this question improper I am just asking a question related to an specific detail that I didn't understand.

The steps involved are due to the diversity in the genetics of the populations which accumulate with time and of course result in genetic drift. It is not a matter of one or a thousand mutation.

 

[leroy]

The steps involved are due to the diversity in the genetics of the populations which accumulate with time and of course result in genetic drift. It is not a matter of one or a thousand mutation.

Granted, but how did the diversity came to be in the first place.?