Well, it does show even more how the difference isn't as great as some would like. Other evidence shows that the evolution happened.
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Evidence For And Against Evolution
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Well, it does show even more how the difference isn't as great as some would like. Other evidence shows that the evolution happened.
Subduction Zone
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No, the endless evidence that supports evolution and only evolution does mean that humans are a product of evolution. And we do not even know if Einstein's version of God is correct. The correct version may be no version.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Nothing I read now about evolution means it happened without a designer. And here I did very well on my exams in reciting what I was told. Meanwhile getting back to the unique qualities of bees, snakes, and ants, they are unique and fabulous in their respective roles.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Not as great as some would like? Really?? (what an answer -- I can do better than that...)
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Perhaps you do not understand what you have read since there is no evidence for a designer in any scientific papers that I have ever seen.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Why would think that?
And why would you conclude that? However, you are right about this. My question relates that it would not necessarily have to be that way.
That's not correct. Two books I have on that are "God In the Equation" by Corey Powell and "Einstein and Religion" by Max Jammer, the latter which is the better of the two imo. However, my favorite has long been "E=MC2: A Biography of the World's Most Famous Equation" by David Bodanis, but that spends only a little time on Einstein's view of religion, which is why I didn't list that one first.
You're missing something else here, even though I thought you were getting close to it in a previous post of yours.
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SkepticThinker
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Perhaps you could present some evidence of God(s) manipulating genetics.lol -- that's why God did it as He willed.
No bottlenecks necessary anyway.
God can manipulate genetics as He wills, since He created genetics. Thinking about it -- the clay doesn't say to the potter, why did you make me this way.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
You think the intellectual capacity of the other apes is "not too great." What makes you think that?I agree that it's a matter of sometimes very small degrees that makes humans different from, um, gorillas and chimpanzees. But -- I also still notice that things like writing and historical records have progressed rather rapidly from, um, humans -- not too much from chimpanzees, crocodiles, turtles, etc. So, summing it up, these little differences in genetics make a rather large difference in fulfilment of intellect and capabilities unique to the human figure. So, it astounds me that ants, the little beings they are, have astonishing capabilities, different from humans. I also doubt that their intellectual capacities are not too great.
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SkepticThinker
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Why won't you address my point?
Then do it.Not as great as some would like? Really?? (what an answer -- I can do better than that...)
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
It's similar to the evidence unproduced of nature manipulating genes to produce a different species. But God's word is more powerful than man's words.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
No, it isn't. That would make it indistinguishable from nature.
But you claim that God's doing it.
So I asked for evidence backing up your claim.
We know DNA exists. We know that it is naturally-occurring and how it operates. You are going a step (well, a lot of steps) further and claiming that not only did some God that you haven't demonstrated actually created DNA, but that this god also manipulates it. That would mean the God you speak of leaves some sort of mark on reality as we know it. So I'm asking you, how do we determine that this manipulation you speak of, is the results of some behavior on any God's part?
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
You mean your point that DNA just came about after a long period of non-intelligent forced programming?
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
It's kinda like what Newton said: the thumb itself proves it didn't just "come about." (Yes, I paraphrase, can't remember his exact words but they make sense to me!) So now that I am older, I do not believe in evolution as the reason for life of earth. And yes, I include abiogenesis along with that. The more I think about it, the more cogent the Bible becomes. The more sense it makes.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
That is merely an argument from ignorance, and yes, Newton was ignorant about quite a few topics. Now we know that not to be true.
Bear Wild
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And what about those incredibly dangerous and viscous rabbits? No designer would have thought up such a creature as that and set it loose on the Earth. Clearly the product of evolution and survival of the fittest.
Bear Wild
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And ignorance is the war cry of the creationists/ intelligent designers. Ignore the evidence they cry, place your hands over your ears and do not hear the truth, place your hands over your eyes and do not see the evidence and most of all place your hands over your mouth so that you will not make the mistake of uttering the words "Darwin had the right idea" or " the evidence for evolution is overwhelming, I guess that darned creation story was just a story, a myth"
Bear Wild
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Because yourstrue cannot. The Spector of reality haunts creationists/ID people and they know they do not have any evidence. What do you do if you are one of them? Create a separate reality, Trump learned of effective this can be, so did Cruz, and Q is one of the masters of the game.
Bear Wild
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Very nice links thanks.