Evidence God Is

[Valjean]

No, but I have offered evidence.
You want to discuss scientific evidence... Okay.
First, a hypothetical... I propose there is an intelligent designer with supernatural abilities, whom is responsible for the universe and life in it.

You have an odd concept of evidence.
First, science can't deal with the supernatural. There's nothing there for science to work with. The supernatural produces no evidence to examine. It's magic.
Then, there's the designer. That's a who. Science doesn't deal with who, either. Science studies mechanism, it studies how, not who.

What say yo, science guy?

You propose a designer, responsible for the universe. Yet you can provide no evidence for this designer other than references in an ancient book of folklore. By that metric I could propose the universe was created by orcs, or cosmic mice, with the same authority.

 

[nPeace]

You have an odd concept of evidence.

I don't. You make biased opinionated accusation without any basis.

First, science can't deal with the supernatural. There's nothing there for science to work with.

Don't tell me that. I don't need to hear it. Tell that to the person who keeps talking about scientific evidence in relation to a supernatural.

The supernatural produces no evidence to examine. It's magic.

That's not true. That's your biased opinionated view talking.

Then, there's the designer. That's a who. Science doesn't deal with who, either. Science studies mechanism, it studies how, not who.
You propose a designer, responsible for the universe. Yet you can provide no evidence for this designer other than references in an ancient book of folklore. By that metric I could propose the universe was created by orcs, or cosmic mice, with the same authority.

Clearly, if you believe that, then you haven't been paying attention - just expressing your biased opinionated view... imo.

 

[nPeace]

Not "exactly". If you can't think of such a test then by definition you have no scientific evidence.



As I have pointed out so often, understanding what is and what is not reliable evidence would help you immensely. You have not been able to provide any,.

For the umpteenth time. .. please get your facts straight.
Evidence - Wikipedia
That's the last time I go through this with you.

 

[Subduction Zone]

For the umpteenth time. .. please get your facts straight.
Evidence - Wikipedia
That's the last time I go through this with you.

My facts are straight. We were specifically discussing scientific evidence. To back to post #557 and you will see that you asked using that term. So to help you:

Scientific evidence - Wikipedia

"Scientific evidence is evidence which serves to either support or counter a scientific theory or hypothesis. Such evidence is expected to be empirical evidence and interpretation in accordance with scientific method. Standards for scientific evidence vary according to the field of inquiry, but the strength of scientific evidence is generally based on the results of statistical analysis and the strength of scientific controls."

I like that definition because it is clear and concise and reasonable. If a person is not willing to test his idea then he cannot claim to have any evidence for that idea.

When you could not come up with a reasonable test of your idea you admitted to having no scientific evidence for it. And I can find this same definition at various other sources. It is the definition that scientists use.

So once again, what reasonable test could falsify your theory if it is wrong?

And though you accuse others of being rude it is amazing that you cannot see it in yourself. Here you were obviously wrong and yet you accused me of not getting my facts straight.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I don't. You make biased opinionated accusation without any basis.


Don't tell me that. I don't need to hear it. Tell that to the person who keeps talking about scientific evidence in relation to a supernatural.


That's not true. That's your biased opinionated view talking.


Clearly, if you believe that, then you haven't been paying attention - just expressing your biased opinionated view... imo.

What evidence is there for the supernatural?

 

[Milton Platt]

No. Maybe you skipped through it.


I have read all the chapters, more than a dozen times.
You are merely making statements with no apparent basis.

That's offering no valid argument really.

It wasn't meant to be an argument, only was meant to point out the deficiency of your evidence.
By the way, sorry for the slow response time....Life happens. LOL

 

[nPeace]

It wasn't meant to be an argument, only was meant to point out the deficiency of your evidence.
By the way, sorry for the slow response time....Life happens. LOL

If your intention is to point out deficiencies, then just making statements - which are claims really - does nothing. I think you need to demonstrate or show how the evidence is deficient.
Take all the time you need. The forums aren't going anywhere... yet.

 

[ZenMonkey]

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. - Genesis 1:1

According to the Bible, Jehovah Designed All Things
Of course, every house is constructed by someone, but the one who constructed all things is God. Hebrews 3:4

What is design?

Spoiler: Design

Design is the creation of a plan or convention for the construction of an object, system or measurable human interaction. Design has different connotations in different fields (see design disciplines [*]). In some cases, the direct construction of an object (as in pottery, engineering, management, coding, and graphic design) is also considered to use design thinking.

Designing often necessitates considering the aesthetic, functional, economic, and sociopolitical dimensions of both the design object and design process. It may involve considerable research, thought, modeling, interactive adjustment, and re-design. Meanwhile, diverse kinds of objects may be designed, including clothing, graphical user interfaces, products, skyscrapers, corporate identities, business processes, and even methods or processes of designing.

Thus "design" may be a substantive referring to a categorical abstraction of a created thing or things (the design of something), or a verb for the process of creation as is made clear by grammatical context.

Definitions
More formally design has been defined as follows:

(noun) a specification of an object, manifested by an agent, intended to accomplish goals, in a particular environment, using a set of primitive components, satisfying a set of requirements, subject to constraints; (verb, transitive) to create a design, in an environment (where the designer operates)

Another definition for design is "a roadmap or a strategic approach for someone to achieve a unique expectation. It defines the specifications, plans, parameters, costs, activities, processes and how and what to do within legal, political, social, environmental, safety and economic constraints in achieving that objective."

Here, a "specification" can be manifested as either a plan or a finished product, and "primitives" are the elements from which the design object is composed.

... Or maybe it's an evolutionary phenomena or a adaptation to certain surroundings. If you could go to venus and set up shop, gravity would be different, the atmosphere different also ... so on so s forth. Also like here ... this continent that continent under water in air ... We grow differently here obviously, so somewhere like Venus where things are drastically different, you gotta wonder, or I at least gotta wonder how one of us would turn out. would we be base and instinctual only, or would we still have mind from which we navigate?

 

[Hockeycowboy]

I can tell you right not that's NOT New Jersey!

It always cracked me up, that New Jersey is called “the Garden State.” LOL!

 

[Subduction Zone]

If your intention is to point out deficiencies, then just making statements - which are claims really - does nothing. I think you need to demonstrate or show how the evidence is deficient.
Take all the time you need. The forums aren't going anywhere... yet.

Since there is no scientific or other reliable evidence for a god why do you think that people have to prove the obvious? If you think that you have evidence post it. But please do not get offended when it is refuted.

 

[Sand Dancer]

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. - Genesis 1:1

According to the Bible, Jehovah Designed All Things
Of course, every house is constructed by someone, but the one who constructed all things is God. Hebrews 3:4

I wish God had thought about things like putting the female urethra, vagina and exit door so close together. We are tired of getting UTIs. Also, I keep drinking water and inhaling some of it down my windpipe. Our backs keep going out. So many bad design flaws. I am not sure I'd hire him to build anything.

 

[Sand Dancer]

The human body is NOT a good design.

• Why do males have nipples

Because all fetuses start out physically female, but the inferior ones become male.

 

[nPeace]

I wish God had thought about things like putting the female urethra, vagina and exit door so close together. We are tired of getting UTIs. Also, I keep drinking water and inhaling some of it down my windpipe. Our backs keep going out. So many bad design flaws. I am not sure I'd hire him to build anything.

How many people you know got UTIs?
Isn't that like getting a disease because of unhygienic practices.
Some people get those diseases. Some don't.
Bad practice always lead to bad consequences.

For example, the mosquito breeds where there is an environment conducive to its increase. Then people in those habitats get sick.
If everyone kept their environment clean, would the mosquito thrive?

Consider that it was after man's disobedience to God, that thorns and thistles would become a problem for them.
So think of it. God never intended for thorns and thistles to florish.
Man was supposed to take care of the earth, and make the whole earth garden-like.
They didn't. They rebelled. Bad consequences followed.

Do you notice the contrast between a place where people allow weeds and wild bush to overrun the land, and a place where people carefully remove weeds and grow flowers, trees, and foods?
Big difference right.

We could give though to these things, and it will help us to see that the design is fine. The inhabitants are the problem... At least the ones not guided by God.

Nothing is wrong with the way our bodies are designed.
Are you not thankful for your immune system; the fact that you can eat, and get rid of waste.

It's sad that people don't show gratitude to the creator, rather than find little things to pick at and complain about, so as to find fault with man's maker. That's pretty sad.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

The life cycle of the plasmodium parasite (causes malaria) is extremely complex. So are we forced to conclude that it was specifically "designed" by God to infect and kill humans?

Now watch every creationist here completely ignore this.

it’s recently been discovered, I read, that mosquitoes—or at least one of their species—was found to have a mutation that altered and expanded its “food sources”, I guess you could say.
IOW, it was originally designed to ingest just plant sap; but due to the mutation, it is now able to ingest blood.

Some harmful mutations are expected, at least in JW thinking, since the Bible clearly implies that after the Rebellion in Eden, Jehovah God’s will is not being “done on Earth”— we are to pray for it to “come”. (Matthew 6:9-10)
It’s such a simple truth — that God isn’t fully in control right now — but lots of people aren’t aware of this Bible teaching. — 1 John 5:19

 

[KWED]

Isn't that like getting a disease because of unhygienic practices.

The "unhygienic practice" was building a funfair on the same plot as a sewage works.

Bad practice always lead to bad consequences.

What is the "bad practice" that leads to appendicitis, or childhood leukaemia, or difficult human childbirth due to the baby's head being too big for the pelvis, or Down syndrome, or arthritis or dementia?
Or did your god just design us that way?

For example, the mosquito breeds where there is an environment conducive to its increase. Then people in those habitats get sick.
If everyone kept their environment clean, would the mosquito thrive?

Jeez! You really have no idea about even the most basic science issues, do you?

Consider that it was after man's disobedience to God, that thorns and thistles would become a problem for them.
So think of it. God never intended for thorns and thistles to florish.

**** me! So now you are claiming that thorns and thistles are younger than homosapiens?
There is mountains of hard evidence for thorny plants tens of millions of years ago.
So you are now reduced to simply ignoring the evidence. Seems reasonable.

 

[KWED]

it’s recently been discovered, I read, that mosquitoes—or at least one of their species—was found to have a mutation that altered and expanded its “food sources”, I guess you could say.
IOW, it was originally designed to ingest just plant sap; but due to the mutation, it is now able to inject blood.

Some harmful mutations are expected, at least in JW thinking, since the Bible clearly implies that after the Rebellion in Eden, Jehovah God’s will is not being “done on Earth”— we are to pray for it to “come”. (Matthew 6:9-10)
It’s such a simple truth — that God isn’t fully in control right now — but lots of people aren’t aware of this Bible teaching. — 1 John 5:19

Mosquitoes have been feeding on animal blood for tens of millions of years.
Studies have shown that one species in Africa may be changing its preference to humans from other animals, but it doesn't carry the malaria parasite.

 

[Sand Dancer]

How many people you know got UTIs?
Isn't that like getting a disease because of unhygienic practices.
Some people get those diseases. Some don't.
Bad practice always lead to bad consequences.

For example, the mosquito breeds where there is an environment conducive to its increase. Then people in those habitats get sick.
If everyone kept their environment clean, would the mosquito thrive?

Consider that it was after man's disobedience to God, that thorns and thistles would become a problem for them.
So think of it. God never intended for thorns and thistles to florish.
Man was supposed to take care of the earth, and make the whole earth garden-like.
They didn't. They rebelled. Bad consequences followed.

Do you notice the contrast between a place where people allow weeds and wild bush to overrun the land, and a place where people carefully remove weeds and grow flowers, trees, and foods?
Big difference right.

We could give though to these things, and it will help us to see that the design is fine. The inhabitants are the problem... At least the ones not guided by God.

Nothing is wrong with the way our bodies are designed.
Are you not thankful for your immune system; the fact that you can eat, and get rid of waste.

Excuse me, I do not have bad hygiene. Many people, mostly women, suffer with these over and over. Stop blaming us. Why did Yahweh want men to cut off part of their penis? What was wrong with how it was designed?

 

[Jose Fly]

it’s recently been discovered, I read, that mosquitoes—or at least one of their species—was found to have a mutation that altered and expanded its “food sources”, I guess you could say.
IOW, it was originally designed to ingest just plant sap; but due to the mutation, it is now able to inject blood.

First of all, that's the mosquito. My question was about the plasmodium parasite.

Second, does this mean you agree that mutation + natural selection can indeed generate new complex traits and abilities?

Third, do you have a citation?

 

[Jose Fly]

Excuse me, I do not have bad hygiene. Many people, mostly women, suffer with these over and over. Stop blaming us. Why did Yahweh want men to cut off part of their penis? What was wrong with how it was designed?

God to Abraham: I designed the penis so perfectly that I need y'all to start cutting part of it off.

 

[Left Coast]

I wish God had thought about things like putting the female urethra, vagina and exit door so close together. We are tired of getting UTIs. Also, I keep drinking water and inhaling some of it down my windpipe. Our backs keep going out. So many bad design flaws. I am not sure I'd hire him to build anything.

Not to mention that the male urethra runs through the prostate gland, commonly causing problems with urination when the prostate enlarges with age (and through which men also ejaculate, of course).