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Evidence of NOAH's FLOOD

gnostic

The Lost One
Going back to Little Nipper’s original post I hadn’t responded to the link from Answers-in-Genesis website that Nipper posted:

Here we shall discuss evidence of NOAH's FLOOD. There is ongoing scientific research that has brought to light many interesting finds, that contrary to some or many ---- does in fact point more and more to a monumental worldwide cataclysm that is labelled the FLOOD in GOD's Word: Global Evidences of the Genesis Flood

in the article’s first claim, there are fossils of marine animals, giving the Himalayas & Everest as example:

Andrew A Snelling, Global Evidences of the Genesis Flood: We find ammonite fossils (squids with coiled shells) in limestone layers, high up in the Himalayas in Nepal, near the top of Mount Everest. Of course, Mount Everest wasn’t there before the flood, so the ocean waters didn’t have to rise to over 29,000 feet (8,840 m) above current sea level to cover it. Instead, the sedimentary layers now making up the Himalayas were first deposited on the continent during the flood. The layers buckled and uplifted at the end of the flood to form the towering Himalayan mountains we see today.

There are many errors and misinformation in that single paragraph.

For one, Dr Andrew Snelling, a professor in geology, clearly have no understanding how fossils work, particularly how long it take for remains to turn into fossils.

There are no fossils that younger than 10,000 years. It take over tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands.

if Noah’s Ark and the flood did happened, then those fossils should be less than 5000 years old. No such young fossils exist.

If Snelling bothered to read any data provided, then he sh have known the layer of limestone where those fossils were found, were not 4500 years old or less, the limestone are about 450 million years old. That means those fossils were in the Ordovician period.

those fossils would have form when the limestone have been forming.

which leads me to the 2nd point.

the Himalayas were never under water during human history, certainly not during later part of the Early Bronze Age (EBA started 5100 years ago to about 2000 years ago, or c 3100 to c 2000 BCE).

The limestone being 450 million years predated all land animals, including humans.

More importantly, no mountains (eg Everest) can grow to 8800 metres in less than 5000 years...especially not the uplift at the rate of Indian plate pushing against the Asian plate.

So I think is Snelling dishonest geologist, and a moron.
 
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shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
LOL, more unsupported doctrine from you ...
Try looking at this from the Encyclopedia Britannica -- maybe you believe it, maybe you don't. :) Maybe you'll learn something. Anything is possible in this case, (your case) I'll give you the credit.
From the Encyclopedia Britannica -- on the Oriigin of Life:
"Perhaps the most fundamental and at the same time the least understood biological problem is the origin of life.
The Encyclopedia Britannica is NOT a current scientific reference. You need to cite current academic research references concerning abiogenesis.

The statement of 'least understood' expresses an opinion and is subjective and does not reflect the current research on abiogenesis. You need to cite more relevant scientific references that objectively address the issues of abiogenesis.

Snelling is unbelievably intentionally ignorant of the fact that the limestone-bearing fossils on Mount Everest extend down in the mountains in folded faulted limestone and could not be deposited by a flood. Limestone is carbonate rock formed in shallow seas over millions of years and cannot be possibly deposited in a flood.
 
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YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Going back to Little Nipper’s original post I hadn’t responded to the link from Answers-in-Genesis website that Nipper posted:



in the article’s first claim, there are fossils of marine animals, giving the Himalayas & Everest as example:



There are many errors and misinformation in that single paragraph.

For one, Dr Andrew Snelling, a professor in geology, clearly have no understanding how fossils work, particularly how long it take for remains to turn into fossils.

There are no fossils that younger than 10,000 years. It take over tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands.

if Noah’s Ark and the flood did happened, then those fossils should be less than 5000 years old. No such young fossils exist.

If Snelling bothered to read any data provided, then he sh have known the layer of limestone where those fossils were found, were not 4500 years old or less, the limestone are about 450 million years old. That means those fossils were in the Ordovician period.

those fossils would have form when the limestone have been forming.

which leads me to the 2nd point.

the Himalayas were never under water during human history, certainly not during later part of the Early Bronze Age (EBA started 5100 years ago to about 2000 years ago, or c 3100 to c 2000 BCE).

The limestone being 450 million years predated all land animals, including humans.

More importantly, no mountains (eg Everest) can grow to 8800 metres in less than 5000 years...especially not the uplift at the rate of Indian plate pushing against the Asian plate.

So I think is Snelling dishonest geologist, and a moron.
Try this for size..www.quantamagazine.org/physicists-debate-hawkings-idea-that-the-universe-had-no-beginning
Then go to Starwars maybe you'll have more clarity there...
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Don't get all butt hurt just because you are wrong
Lol your stupid disgusting reply. I laugh because you don't make sense and make up things. Yes maybe Star Wars is your speed. Maybe not. I truly hope things will work out. You obviously didn't read the BIG controversy among scientists. Glad I did.
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
Nothing you say adds up. Let's be honest. One famous scientist said yes, something (the universe) came from nothing. Now if you believe that, have a good one. So that means I'd sooner believe the Bible than your statements and Dr. Hawking's. He says...they say...but the Bible makes far more sense to me than it apparently does to you. Do I understand everything ? No. Do you? I doubt it.
The difference is that Prof hawking then goes on to actually explain a hypothesis of how that could have occured.
Whereas the bible only states the bare claim and then demands belief.
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
The fact that it has virtually not been added to since the book of Revelation prompts me to understand it makes sense.
Really? It rather prompts me as an extreme red flag meaning it is dogmatic stubborness unwilling to learn.

Because the Bible itself is the revelation, the communication with mankind.
The bible was written by humans. Humans who didn't even understand the earth orbits the sun.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
The difference is that Prof hawking then goes on to actually explain a hypothesis of how that could have occured.
Whereas the bible only states the bare claim and then demands belief.
Whether you like it or not, the Bible's explanation of creation makes far more sense than the conjectures of Prof. Hawking and those scientists who argue about it.
 

Astrophile

Active Member
LOL, more unsupported doctrine from you ...
Try looking at this from the Encyclopedia Britannica -- maybe you believe it, maybe you don't. :) Maybe you'll learn something. Anything is possible in this case, (your case) I'll give you the credit.
From the Encyclopedia Britannica -- on the Oriigin of Life:
"Perhaps the most fundamental and at the same time the least understood biological problem is the origin of life. "
There's more, lots more, but talk about biology illiterate, perhaps you should do a little more reading yourself...
www.britannica.com/science/life/The-origin-of-life.
There is certainly a lot more in this link. Much of it explains the experimental evidence that shows how organic and pre-biotic compounds could have formed on the early Earth. The problem of the origin of life by natural processes may be poorly understood, but, on the evidence in your link, it does not appear to be insoluble.
 

Astrophile

Active Member
What I have seen is complete disregard for reality from you. Enjoy this mind bending junk from your esteemed scientists...not only do they not know what they're talking about, they can't agree. junk...
www.quantamagazine.org/physicists-debate-hawkings-idea-that-the-universe-had-no-beginning-20190606/
The fact that scientists don't agree on the origin of the universe doesn't invalidate all the rest of science, such as radiometric dating and the origin of igneous and sedimentary rocks.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
What I have seen is complete disregard for reality from you. Enjoy this mind bending junk from your esteemed scientists...not only do they not know what they're talking about, they can't agree. junk...
www.quantamagazine.org/physicists-debate-hawkings-idea-that-the-universe-had-no-beginning-20190606/
You do not remotely understand the reference you are citing. First, it is a layman's level commentary and not the science behind Hawkin's work and other scientists.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Whether you like it or not, the Bible's explanation of creation makes far more sense than the conjectures of Prof. Hawking and those scientists who argue about it.
Scientists are debating science based on the present evidence we have concerning Quantum Mechanics and scientific math models and hypotheses. Disagreements described in your reference are normal for science as new knowledge becomes known. You're arguing a wall of mythology and an ancient tribal religion without any objective evidence whatsoever.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
The Urey Miller experiment needed to have an electric current passed through the set up and also the requisite materials put out. It was contrived. Your use of the word creationist is somewhat similar to the word evolutionist, so I suggest you use another word because those believing in God's actions in the Genesis account do not always believe the same way. Best you don't use the word creationist.
Gee, I wonder where we would find something in nature that's akin to an electric current ... hmmmm ....
Ever heard of lightning?
 
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