SavedByTheLord
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So the 200 amino acid sequence which is impossible hooked up with another 200 amnio sequence which itself is impossible
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Evidence of NOAH's FLOOD
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Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
What? You are desperate. Go back to bed.
SavedByTheLord
Well-Known Member
I just got up and am having my coffee.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
I can tell. You need a gallon.
Your calculation is based on a false assumption - and in the post above you make another false assumption .. now we have false assumptions stacked on top of each other. This is not a solid foundation for Truth friend...
SavedByTheLord
Well-Known Member
Name one .
Was already explained to you friend.. your fase assumption that everything happens at the same time .. all molecules need to be present and combine at the exact same moment - then calculating a probability based on this false assumption. Told you that is not how it works in Nature my young apprentice.
SavedByTheLord
Well-Known Member
No explanation in post, but your circular reasoning shows. That calculation is correct and I was extrmely generous to a fault.
But that is a simple technique. Prove with the lower bound and it is proven for all values greater.
I wonder. Do you expect answers when you don't provide them?
Oh sure, you respond. But response are not equivalent to answers.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
No, you used math that you could not defend since you have no understanding of chemistry at all. There are only 4 different amino acids in RNA. Your "specific sequence" demand is 100% false because there are many possible different sequences that work. Please note, I did not say all sequences work. But I am not so foolishly ignorant to try to claim that only one works when there are articles about various different self replicators being made. Was there only one that led to us? Probably. But that is just the lottery fallacy on your part. You are making the mistake of assuming that was a goal instead of a result. If another sequence won out life would probably have been rather different. Heck, there might have been intelligent life instead of what we have right now with another sequence. Who knows?
Your argument fails on just the "specific sequence" claim.
Your calculation was not correct .. and pointing out your false assumtion is not circular reasoning. Your claim that all atoms and molecules have to be there and react at the same time is 100% false ... this not how DNA was created nor how nature/evolution works and you were given this explanation yet now claim "no explanation" along the path of deception.
Cancel it .. like the woke cancel culturalists - just a different form of thought stopping exercise - down the path of self deception.
The explanation you are trying to avoid .. by claiming it was not given ..
" your false assumption is that everything happens at the same time .. all molecules need to be present and combine at the exact same moment"
Why do you play this game of hide and seek -- running around hiding from cracks in the foundation and pretending they don't exist .. thus not addressing these issues does not make the crack go away .. and is not the basis for a strong foundation in belief.. The path of Self Deception . and of others is not the way to the Truth .. not the Path to Salvation that Lord Marty has promised - but the idol of those with the "Free Pass through Judgement" ideology.
Do we not see these folks crying out "Jesus Jesus .. Just have faith in Jesus and you will be Saved" Spared the nasty alternative of roasting in the eternal fire. in the name of Jesus .. Prophesying and speaking in tongues .. wailing out unintelligible gibberish in the process of speaking in tongues .. Unintelligible to us and the onlookers but not to the interpreter standing by who tells us God's word .. as directed through the Prophesying individual by the Holy Spirity .. a real life conduit to God's holy word and decision .. OH .. and these Pentecostal folks have God decide on all kinds of things ..
Let us not build a foundation on the basis of snake charmers - and those who usurp the position of the Logos .. and who, in doing so blaspheme the word of God .. the Holy Spirit .. and of course the Son "The Logos" mentioned previously. As this blasphemy .. usurping the position of the Logos is the one unforgivable sin we are told about. Let is not go down that dark path .. Saved by Lord Marty is not the path to salvation Brother SBTL ..
Now tell us honestly who told you what happened prior to the Big Bang .. who caused the Big Bang ? Did God stop by your villa for tea the other day ? and if so ..when is Lord YHWH returning to answer more questions .. as I have a few good ones for you to ask the Old Guy about Jah Rastafa .. and Brother Marty -- the wolf in sheeps clothing talked about by Jesus "You shall know them by their deeds"
Jesus also talks about the blasphemers mentioned above .. snake charmer - prophesying - speaking in tongue - usurping position of the Logos crowd .. and You know what he say by now .. told you so many times from my Lords most famous sermon - Matt 7
15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them ... 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
Do you understand these words .. let you not be following the bad fruit of deception and worse let ye not be the bearer of bad fruit .. cause you know where they end up ... see the word of the Lord in bold.
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
and you can include those who usurp the position of the Logos-- putting words in Gods mouth in this crowd - blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
and the last bit of advice from my Lord Jesus - in his most famous sermon on how salvation is achieved - is to advise against following the Free Pass Ideology of Lord Marty..
24 “Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. 26 But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. 27 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash.”
Notice the "Therefore" meaning it follows from previous - the false prophets and the faith healers .. by their deeds .. by their works you will know them crying out "Jesus Jesus" - the ones thrust out of the presense of the lord... and on this basis "Therefore" you better practice what you preach ... better observe the Golden Rule which includes doing good things but also the aversion of the bad .. meaning even if you don't run out and sell everything you own to follow Jesus and feed the poor ... you might at least not step on the poor as you walk. I added this as most fundamentalists don't seem to understand what "Works" means in the context of salvation .. even though Jesus has stated clearly "The will of the Father" .. I for one am a bit confounded on why folks - and especially the fundamentalists .. have absolutely no idea what Jesus is talking about .. absolutly no idea what the will of the Father is according to Lord Jesus .. as opposed to Lord Marty .. and thus substituted the words of Jesus .. for those of Lord Marty .. a disturbing blasphemy of the most dangerous kind.
SavedByTheLord
Well-Known Member
And you do not understand the Bible, I see.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
You are in no position to talk since your interpretation of the Bible would make God a liar.
It is so sad to watch -- a blind man claiming "I See" and putting forth yet another deception in an effort at deflection from scripture he can not bare to look at "See" ?!
You claim to know things you cannot possibly know -- like what happened before the Big Bang - as if God sat you down for Tea .. crying out "Prove it with no assumptions" .. as if we are supposed to prove your made up deception for you .. and that constitutes a valid argument for something .. other than membership to the dark side.
You substitute the words of Lord Jesus .. with that of Lord Marty - usurping the Position of the Logos. Is it the Logos you do not understand friend ? Is that what is not understood ? is a very specific term the Author of John used... emissary between man and God When used in a religious context .. Well understood platonic Theology .. ... it is no secret that many popes consider themselves Platonists over the years .. but no need for all that historical content.. you just need to understand what the Logos means - in the Biblical Context.
Think now of your first deception -- and how that relates to your blasphemy against the holy Spirit .. coming here and claiming to have a free pass through Judgement .. whaaaa ? --- don't think so bro - there SBTL --- that aint no Salvation formulation coming from the Sermon Lord Jesus. ... Then in defence of deception.. when called out .. blaspheme the Holy Spirit -- putting words in the Father's Mouth ..
Is this what you do not understand Brother SBTLM -- The Blaspheming of the Holy Spirit ?! The Abomination of Desolation .. The Unforgivable Sin ?
Can you solve the Riddle Mr Saved by Lord Marty - All sin can be forgiven save one .. not a sin against the Father not a sin against the Son .. only the sin against the Godly Ghost .. thats the only one can not be forgiven.
Were you able to solve the Riddle .. Separate But Equal ? --- how can it be that you can forgiven for sin against the Father .. and the Son ... but not the High Ghost .. ??? and then there were 3 but this has nothing to do with the trinity ..and everything to do with your blasphemy .. claiming to speak God's Word .. usurping the position of the Logos .. just likek them snake charmers and fake prophesiers Jesus warns about in your favorite part of the Sermon Matt 7.
Tell us of your latest deception Friend .. what is this lack of understanding of the Bible .. please teach us our error .. so that we may be corrected .. and walk on the right path to the Lord Jesus .. and not down the dark path of the decepticon .. and we know where that leads ..
You know .. very few times our lord uses the word "Foolish" -- was a strong word back in the day .. uses it in when talking about the weak foundation those who think they have a free pass through Judgement .. something not even Paul believed .. not that we put much faith in his preaching but .. Just saying... Whats also interesting is the interpretation of James of this passage .. echoing Matt 7 .. talking about "The Royal Law" aka "The will of the Father" and using the term Foolish ... just like Jesus .. James referring to early Christians peddling free pass through judgement ideology.
12 Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom, 13 because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment.
What is it that James the Brother of Jesus is telling you ? deeds are what triumph over Judgement.
Do you act as if you are going to be judged ? or by someone who already has a free pass through judgement ?
14 What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? 15 Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. 16 If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.
And a resounding NO .. the Question he poses .. No free pass through judgement .. all will be judged at the end of days .. sayeth the Lord Jesus .. as opposed to the Lord Marty ..
20 You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless. 19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.
My brothers and sisters, believers in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ must not show favoritism. 2 Suppose a man comes into your meeting wearing a gold ring and fine clothes, and a poor man in filthy old clothes also comes in. 3 If you show special attention to the man wearing fine clothes and say, “Here’s a good seat for you,” but say to the poor man, “You stand there” or “Sit on the floor by my feet,” 4 have you not discriminated among yourselves and become judges with evil thoughts?
Look Friend .. your personal lack of understanding in the salvation formulation will not be held against you .. as anything can be forgiven .. all the deceit and deception .. desperate to run from correction .. except the blaspheming .. of which this is just a small and minor part.... the young earth creationist fundamentalist are prone to big blasphemy of the HS .. Just saying .. don't wan't to be messing with the abomination of desolation .. not a good idea IMO Brother SBTLM
McBell
Unbound
And which Bible would that be?
Have you finally figured out which version you use?
SavedByTheLord
Well-Known Member
King James Bible. What versions do you use of THE word of God, THE Bible.
Which says that the flood (Gen 7-8) was just a local event which was only 15 cubits high and had no effect on an olive tree growing outside the flooded area.
Maninthemiddle
Active Member
the presence of a great flood in the historical or geological records does not prove the existence of Noah or his ark. While flood events have occurred throughout history, the specific details and characters associated with the story of Noah and the ark require additional evidence from various disciplines to be considered historically accurate. It is essential to differentiate between religious narratives and scientific evidence to form a comprehensive understanding of our past.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
There is no evidence of a great flood in the geologic record.
Maninthemiddle
Active Member
The existence of a flood in my reply is irrelevant, if there was is what I am writing about.