Evidence That Jesus Is God

[Desert Snake]

The Scripture also tells us that God has made Jesus to be both Lord and Christ. Jesus is therefore made Lord by his God and is set in position above all, to be Lord f all. But there is only one true God, the Father.

1 Corinthians 8:6
2 Corinthians 6:18
Matthew 22:37

Theres only one Lord, in the Bible, Jesus Christ
Almighty Lord
Lord our God

Untill you 'explain' that fact, you are worshipping another g-d, aside from the Lord, ie the Biblical God.

 

[Firemorphic]

1 Corinthians 8:6

6 For us there is only one God, and he is our Father. All things came from him, and we live for him. And there is only one Lord, Jesus Christ. All things were made through him, and we also have life through him.​

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That's unsurprisingly Neoplatonic. Jesus as Logos ("all things were made through him"), a creative metaphysical force and first emanation subservient to the Monad ("The Father") - of which is equivalent to Allah, Brahman and other God-concepts that are beyond Duality.
When Jesus says "I and my father are one", therefore he affirms the omnipresence of the Monad ("The Father") which is greater than him but which emanates through him as an incarnation of Logos.

This aside, the two Corinthian Epistles are very demonstrably Gnostic in nature, Paul himself is generally considered to be THE proto-Gnostic. Coincidentally I was just reading 1 Corinthians myself today.

Basically though, the Nicene Creed deliberately ignores the New Testament.

 

[calm]

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Looking through the Bible the closest thing I could find is that at most Jesus was the son of god. In fact, several times Jesus made a distinction between god and himself. (The notion that he was one of "three coeternal consubstantial persons" wasn't finally formulated until 381AD.)
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The rumor that the Trinity was only created in the 4th century by the Catholic Church is a lie. There are many old sources that prove that the first Christians already believed that Jesus is God.
(many of these Christians were therefore persecuted, mocked and executed.)
For example:

Justin Martyr:

• • 150 AD Justin Martyr "Christ is called both God and Lord of hosts." (Dialogue with Trypho, ch, 36)
  • 150 AD Justin Martyr "Therefore these words testify explicitly that He [Christ] is witnessed to by Him who established these things, as deserving to be worshipped, as God and as Christ." - Dialogue with Trypho, ch. 63.
  • "For, in the name of God, the Father and Lord of the universe, and of our Savior Jesus Christ, and of the Holy Spirit, they then receive the washing with water" (First Apol., LXI).

Tertullian (160-215). African apologist and theologian. He wrote much in defense of Christianity:

"We define that there are two, the Father and the Son, and three with the Holy Spirit, and this number is made by the pattern of salvation . . . [which] brings about unity in trinity, interrelating the three, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. They are three, not in dignity, but in degree, not in substance but in form, not in power but in kind. They are of one substance and power, because there is one God from whom these degrees, forms and kinds devolve in the name of Father, Son and Holy Spirit." (Adv. Prax. 23; PL 2.156-7).


170 AD Tatian the Syrian:

• • 170 AD Tatian the Syrian "We are not playing the fool, you Greeks, nor do we talk nonsense, when we report that God was born in the form of a man" (Address to the Greeks 21).

Origen (185-254). Alexandrian theologian. Defended Christianity and wrote much about Christianity:

"If anyone would say that the Word of God or the Wisdom of God had a beginning, let him beware lest he direct his impiety rather against the unbegotten Father, since he denies that he was always Father, and that he has always begotten the Word, and that he always had wisdom in all previous times or ages or whatever can be imagined in priority . . . There can be no more ancient title of almighty God than that of Father, and it is through the Son that he is Father" (De Princ. 1.2.; PG 11.132).
"For if [the Holy Spirit were not eternally as He is, and had received knowledge at some time and then became the Holy Spirit] this were the case, the Holy Spirit would never be reckoned in the unity of the Trinity, i.e., along with the unchangeable Father and His Son, unless He had always been the Holy Spirit." (Alexander Roberts and James Donaldson, eds., The Ante-Nicene Fathers, Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1975 rpt., Vol. 4, p. 253, de Principiis, 1.111.4)

"Moreover, nothing in the Trinity can be called greater or less, since the fountain of divinity alone contains all things by His word and reason, and by the Spirit of His mouth sanctifies all things which are worthy of sanctification . . . " (Roberts and Donaldson, Ante-Nicene Fathers, Vol. 4, p. 255, de Principii., I. iii. 7).

177 AD Athenagoras:

• • 177 AD Athenagoras "The Son of God is the Word of the Father in thought and actuality. By him and through him all things were made, the Father and the Son being one. Since the Son is in the Father and the Father is in the Son by the unity and power of the Spirit, the Mind and Word of the Father is the Son of God. And if, in your exceedingly great wisdom, it occurs to you to inquire what is meant by `the Son,' I will tell you briefly: He is the first- begotten of the Father, not as having been produced, for from the beginning God had the Word in himself, God being eternal mind and eternally rational, but as coming forth to be the model and energizing force of all material things" (Plea for the Christians 10:2-4).

"He alone is both God and man, and the source of all our good things." (Clement of Alexandria, Exhortation to the Greeks. A.D. 200).

"For our God, Jesus Christ, was conceived by Mary in accord with God's plan." (Ignatius of Antioch, Letter to the Ephesians. A.D. 110).
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"In fact, several times Jesus made a distinction between god and himself."

Paul explains to us why Jesus sometimes made statements in which it seems that He is not God:

Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus,
6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,2
7 but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant,3 being born in the likeness of men.
8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. (Philippians 2:5)

Jesus came into the world to be recognized as a human being and not as the True God, although he is. He wanted to be like the people, weak and low. He wanted him to be treated like a human being. For Jesus did not come into the world to be served, but to serve. (Mark 10:45)
Only after his death did Jesus resume his divinity. As an example, when Jesus was still on earth, a rich young man came to Jesus and said to him: "Good teacher". And Jesus replied directly: "Why do you call me Good? No one is good but God alone" (Luke 18:18-19)
Do you see how sensitive Jesus reacts? Alone by the title "Good" does he deny who he is, in order not to be recognized as the one he is.
But when Jesus died and was resurrected, he took his divinity again because the time as a man on earth was over for him. And when Thomas saw the resurrected Jesus, he said to him: "My Lord and my God". And Jesus did not deny this, but affirmed it. (John 20:28-29)

Jesus is the true God who became man. The Old Testament shows that Jesus is YHUH.
Behold:

God is the Lord of Lords(Deuteronomy 10:17)=Jesus is the Lord of Lords(Revelation 19:16)
There can't be two different persons claiming this title.

God is the First (the Origin) and the Last (the goal) (Isaiah 44:6)=Jesus is the First and the Last(Revelation 1:17)
There cannot be two different persons claiming this title.

God is the husband (Isaiah 54:5)=Jesus is the husband (2 Corinthians 11:2)
Two different persons cannot marry the same woman.

God is the only Saviour(Isaiah 43:11)=Jesus is the Saviour(Luke 2:11)
God is the rock (1 Samuel 2:2)=Jesus is the rock(1 Corinthians 10:4)
God will be the pierced(Zechariah 12:10)=Jesus is the pierced(crucifixion)
For God the way is prepared (Isaiah 40:3)=For Jesus the way is prepared (Mark 1:3 ; Matthew 3:3)
Jesus and YHUH are God (Psalm 45:7-8) =Jesus and YHUH are God (Hebrews 1:8-9)
God created the world (Genesis 1:1)=All things were created by Jesus, through Jesus and for Jesus(Romans 11:36) (Colossians 1:16-17)
Jesus is God and the father(Isaiah 9:6)
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The New Testament also shows us that Jesus is God:
(Yahusha = "Jesus" ; Aluah = God)

Yahusha is omnipotent (Revelation 1:8) (Matthew 28:18)
Yahusha is called Aluah (Romans 9:5) (1 John 5:20)
Yahusha is the image of the invisible Aluah (Colossians 1:15)
Aluah became flesh (human) and Yahusha is this flesh (John 1:1+14) (1 Timothy 3:16)
Yahusha accepts prayers (John 14:13-14)
Yahusha and Yahuah are one (John 10:30)
Who has seen Yahusha, has seen Aluah (John 14:9)
Whoever believes in Yahusha believes in Aluah (John 12:44)
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But how can one imagine that? Do we have 3 gods? No, of course we don't. We only have one God.
Let us take "time" as an example. There is the past, present and future, they are three but still only one thing and that is "time".
Or we humans are also a small Trinity, we consist of body, soul and spirit and these three things form the " human being ".
It is the same with the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, they are three but only one God.

 

[PruePhillip]

He was no sort of god, just a human with faults like the rest of us.

What "faults" did Jesus have?

 

[JJ50]

What "faults" did Jesus have?

Plenty, if the stories attributed to that chap have any credibility ! He was too big for his own boots, giving the impression he was some sort of god. He seems to have been able to impress the gullible who took in all he had to say. I reckon the so called miracles, were magic tricks, like those performed by that con man Benny Hinn. He told people to give up their responsibilities and follow him, how crass is that? He played exorcism hocus pocus and frightened a herd of pigs over a cliff, which was cruel to the animals and to their owner who probably wasn't compensated. He obviously liked his wine very much indeed and ensured there was plenty to go round at the wedding party and made it part of the sacrament. That guy Jesus was probably intelligent, but very human, imo.

 

[PruePhillip]

Plenty, if the stories attributed to that chap have any credibility ! He was too big for his own boots, giving the impression he was some sort of god. He seems to have been able to impress the gullible who took in all he had to say. I reckon the so called miracles, were magic tricks, like those performed by that con man Benny Hinn. He told people to give up their responsibilities and follow him, how crass is that? He played exorcism hocus pocus and frightened a herd of pigs over a cliff, which was cruel to the animals and to their owner who probably wasn't compensated. He obviously liked his wine very much indeed and ensured there was plenty to go round at the wedding party and made it part of the sacrament. That guy Jesus was probably intelligent, but very human, imo.

This "too big" reminds me of the story of Moses.
Now Moses, it was said, was the "meekest man
in all the world." This same man said a prophet
God would raise up, "like me."
Isaiah said this prophet would be a lowly man of
sorrows. Zachariah said he would be just and
lowly and riding upon a colt.
Jesus made extraordinary claims about himself
but he was a lowly man and servant to others.
You are conflating his claim to being the Son of
God with being "too big for his boots."

 

[Regiomontanus]

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Looking through the Bible the closest thing I could find is that at most Jesus was the son of god. In fact, several times Jesus made a distinction between god and himself. (The notion that he was one of "three coeternal consubstantial persons" wasn't finally formulated until 381AD.)
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Thank you for clarifying things, Christians have been wondering about this for a long, long time. Skwim to the rescue.

 

[JJ50]

This "too big" reminds me of the story of Moses.
Now Moses, it was said, was the "meekest man
in all the world." This same man said a prophet
God would raise up, "like me."
Isaiah said this prophet would be a lowly man of
sorrows. Zachariah said he would be just and
lowly and riding upon a colt.
Jesus made extraordinary claims about himself
but he was a lowly man and servant to others.
You are conflating his claim to being the Son of
God with being "too big for his boots."

Believing in the Bible stories is no more credible than believing in those in the Harry Potter books, which are much more fun, imo.

 

[PruePhillip]

Believing in the Bible stories is no more credible than believing in those in the Harry Potter books, which are much more fun, imo.

So we know the story of the Jews and their coming back to Israel,
against all the odds. We know there was a thriving Jewish state
and Jerusalem was their capital. We found evidence for the House
of David, the prophet Isaiah, king Ahab etc.. We see that the Old
Testament early stories contain accounts of Bronze Age culture
that has been born by archaeological studies. And so on.
Now, what evidence is there for the Hogwarts School of Witchcraft?
Where is the evidence for Harry Potter?

It's interesting that you say "much more fun" and I wonder if we
are becoming an infantile society? We don't have to worry anymore
about retirement because the govt looks after us, our security is
taken care of by the govt, pharmacists ensure we don't get pregnant
etc.. Relationships seem more infantile, with people expecting more
and getting less from short term relationships. Westerners even get
Asians to do the hard sciences and Indians run the businesses for
us. And we can spend our days watching or playing Harry Potter
fantasies.
The end result is below in my profile.

 

[JJ50]

So we know the story of the Jews and their coming back to Israel,
against all the odds. We know there was a thriving Jewish state
and Jerusalem was their capital. We found evidence for the House
of David, the prophet Isaiah, king Ahab etc.. We see that the Old
Testament early stories contain accounts of Bronze Age culture
that has been born by archaeological studies. And so on.
Now, what evidence is there for the Hogwarts School of Witchcraft?
Where is the evidence for Harry Potter?

It's interesting that you say "much more fun" and I wonder if we
are becoming an infantile society? We don't have to worry anymore
about retirement because the govt looks after us, our security is
taken care of by the govt, pharmacists ensure we don't get pregnant
etc.. Relationships seem more infantile, with people expecting more
and getting less from short term relationships. Westerners even get
Asians to do the hard sciences and Indians run the businesses for
us. And we can spend our days watching or playing Harry Potter
fantasies.
The end result is below in my profile.

The Jews should never have been permitted to create the state of Israel without the Palestinians having their own state too. Tel Aviv is the capital of Israel NOT Jerusalem. That idiot in the White House has a lot to answer for.

 

[PruePhillip]

The Jews should never have been permitted to create the state of Israel without the Palestinians having their own state too. Tel Aviv is the capital of Israel NOT Jerusalem. That idiot in the White House has a lot to answer for.

But when I was growing up many said there was "no such thing as a Jew"
Until DNA testing arrived.
And they said the Jews were just Canaanites - until modern archaeology
arrived.
And it was all made up in Babylon or Grecian times, until we discovered
the titles for King David and Isaiah in excavations.
Etc..
And as for the Jews gathering out of all the nations and returning to Israel
well that was sheer fantasy. And Jesus' statement that Jerusalem will be
back in Jewish hands when the Gentiles are finished - well that's not going
to happen.

Find any of that in your Harry Potter, or on Mount Olympus.

ps the UN gave both Jews and Palestinians their own state. Palestinians
even were able to keep control of the ancient Jewish capital of Jerusalem
and its temple - but the Palestinians didn't want that. The rest is history, or
prophecy - take your pick. They are one and the same.

 

[Aupmanyav]

And we can spend our days watching or playing Harry Potter fantasies.

Or Bible. I think, it is just as amusing, The serpent and the apple and all.

 

[blü 2]

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Looking through the Bible the closest thing I could find is that at most Jesus was the son of god. In fact, several times Jesus made a distinction between god and himself. (The notion that he was one of "three coeternal consubstantial persons" wasn't finally formulated until 381AD.)
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Right on!

The bible gives us (at least) five different Jesuses.

One thing they all have in common is that each of them expressly denies that he's God.

 

[JJ50]

But when I was growing up many said there was "no such thing as a Jew"
Until DNA testing arrived.
And they said the Jews were just Canaanites - until modern archaeology
arrived.
And it was all made up in Babylon or Grecian times, until we discovered
the titles for King David and Isaiah in excavations.
Etc..
And as for the Jews gathering out of all the nations and returning to Israel
well that was sheer fantasy. And Jesus' statement that Jerusalem will be
back in Jewish hands when the Gentiles are finished - well that's not going
to happen.

Find any of that in your Harry Potter, or on Mount Olympus.

ps the UN gave both Jews and Palestinians their own state. Palestinians
even were able to keep control of the ancient Jewish capital of Jerusalem
and its temple - but the Palestinians didn't want that. The rest is history, or
prophecy - take your pick. They are one and the same.

I find it sad that some people believe the not so good book to be literally true.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Saying your method sucks, is nothing to do with you, it is the way your looking at it that is confusing you; the idea you then need to be personal for offering complex advice, says why you'll never understand the topic.

In my opinion.

But for you to suggest, as you did, that one needs e-Sword software "to even remotely understand the intricacies" of the scriptures, means that those same scriptures were never understandable to anybody before the creation of e-Sword.

Doesn't that seem a bit silly? Or at very least careless by the Author of said scriptures?​

 

[JJ50]

But for you to suggest, as you did, that one needs e-Sword software "to even remotely understand the intricacies" of the scriptures, means that those same scriptures were never understandable to anybody before the creation of e-Sword.

Doesn't that seem a bit silly? Or at very least careless by the Author of said scriptures?​

Good post.

 

[wizanda]

Doesn't that seem a bit silly? Or at very least careless by the Author of said scriptures?

Proverbs 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

If someone knows Hebrew and Greek, which they would in ancient times, then they could be inspired to notice the cross referencing details...

Now with translation material we miss much of the original paraphrasing taking place.

In my opinion.

 

[Riders]

Personally I think its unwise that this thread is depending on bible scripture. Any scripture on the new testament that claims Jesus as God was added on by deciples who wanted to turn Jesus into a myth just as the Pagans were. Yes it was very Pagan.

 

[Spartan]

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Looking through the Bible the closest thing I could find is that at most Jesus was the son of god. In fact, several times Jesus made a distinction between god and himself. (The notion that he was one of "three coeternal consubstantial persons" wasn't finally formulated until 381AD.)
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1. Jesus existed in the beginning (John 1:1; Philip 2:6; Rev. 19:13; Micah 5:2).
2. He was with God (John 1:1).
3. He is God, the Son (John 1:1; Rom. 9:5; Heb. 1:8, 10; I John 5:20).
4. He is God manifest in the flesh (John 20:28; I Tim. 3:16; Col. 2:9; Acts 20:28; Heb. 1:8).
5. He is God foretold (Isaiah 9:6; Psalm 45:6).
6. He is Immanuel, God with us (Isaiah 7:14; Matthew 1:23).
7. He is the true God (I John 5:20 with Titus 2:13; Romans 9:5).
8. He is the great God (Titus 2:13).
9. He is God our Savior (II Peter 1:1).
10. He existed in the form of God before His incarnation and was equal with God the Father (Philippians 2:5-7)
11. He is the only wise God (Jude 25).
12. He is omnipotent over disease. (Matthew 8:1-4; Luke 4:39)
13. He is omnipotent over demons. (Matthew 8:16-17; Luke 4:35)
14. He is omnipotent over nature. ((Matthew 8:26)
15. He is omnipotent over death. (Luke 7:14-15; John 11:25)
16. He is omniscient, knowing the hearts of the Pharisees. (Matthew 12:25; Luke 5:22; 6:8; 7:39-40)
17. He knew the thoughts of the scribes. (Matthew 9:3-4)
18. He knew the history of the Samaritan woman. (John 4:24)
19. He is omnipresent. (Matthew 18:20; 28:20; John 3:13; 14:20)
20. He was worshiped as God by the angels (Hebrews 1:6); worshiped as God by the wise men (Matthew 2:2); worshiped as God by the shepherds (Luke 2:15); worshiped as God by a ruler (Matthew 9:18); worshiped as God by Thomas (John 20:28); worshiped as God by the apostles (Matthew 14:33;28:9)
21. He forgives sins. (Mark 2:5)
22. He saves (only God saves). Matthew 18:11; John 10:28).
23. He judges. (John 5:22)
24. Paul, Peter, Jude, James, and John called Him God. (Galatians 2:20; 1 Peter 3:22; Jude 25; James 2:1; I John 5:20; Revelation 1:18; 19:16)
25. He is God’s Son, who was sent to bring us eternal life. (John 3:16)
26. He arose from death in the flesh (John 20:26-28; Luke 24:39-43; I John 4:2-3).
27. One with the Father (John 10:30).

Jesus Must be Jehovah

 

[Spartan]

Personally I think its unwise that this thread is depending on bible scripture. Any scripture on the new testament that claims Jesus as God was added on by deciples who wanted to turn Jesus into a myth just as the Pagans were. Yes it was very Pagan.

Prove it.