Evidence

[Gabethewiking]

What you said here is false. Science is the organization of our perceptions of reality. Ask a Quantum Physicist. We don't know if it is really reality or not.

Good for you, then you do not need to use computers, Vaccines or car either, as it may just be a "dream", just like matrix.

 

[Herr Heinrich]

Good for you, then you do not need to use computers, Vaccines or car either, as it may just be a "dream", just like matrix.

Ok that is not what it being our perception of reality means. It means we "think" this is how **** works, but it may not. Yes science is helpful and interesting, all I am saying is it isn't perfect, nothing is especially religion. So stop being silly. I couldn't argue with you about nonsense if I didn't have a computer.

 

[Gabethewiking]

Ok that is not what it being our perception of reality means. It means we "think" this is how **** works, but it may not. Yes science is helpful and interesting, all I am saying is it isn't perfect, nothing is especially religion. So stop being silly. I couldn't argue with you about nonsense if I didn't have a computer.

Okay, but you got my point didn't you.
Your stance, if serious, is rather silly and contradictory. first, lets say you think this perception is right, how can you then take Vaccine?

It is only the physicians reality that it works, what is the likelihood you will hld the same reality as him? And if you do, that wouldn't make it true, as it is only a perception, as you said, nothing is Real, so the evidence for anything is irrelevant, just as the Vaccination you could take...

See the problem with the logic here? We know you would take the vaccine, and when you do, you contradicted yourself as when other speak of Facts, such as Evolution, you consider it only a different Perspective of Reality, and yet you use the Vaccine, which was made by other people of other perceptions of reality, and yet you accept its Reality. Do you not?

 

[Herr Heinrich]

Okay, but you got my point didn't you.
Your stance, if serious, is rather silly and contradictory. first, lets say you think this perception is right, how can you then take Vaccine?

It is only the physicians reality that it works, what is the likelihood you will hld the same reality as him? And if you do, that wouldn't make it true, as it is only a perception, as you said, nothing is Real, so the evidence for anything is irrelevant, just as the Vaccination you could take...

See the problem with the logic here? We know you would take the vaccine, and when you do, you contradicted yourself as when other speak of Facts, such as Evolution, you consider it only a different Perspective of Reality, and yet you use the Vaccine, which was made by other people of other perceptions of reality, and yet you accept its Reality. Do you not?

No no I am sorry I see where the confusion betwix us is.. It isn't the individuals perception. It is the human perception. Also I understand medicine that is proven to work generally works. I am talking like how things work. Also the medicine could be working because of additional reasons we haven't observed. So that could be reality and we just don't know it. So it is our perception of reality.

 

[Gabethewiking]

No no I am sorry I see where the confusion betwix us is.. It isn't the individuals perception. It is the human perception. Also I understand medicine that is proven to work generally works. I am talking like how things work. Also the medicine could be working because of additional reasons we haven't observed. So that could be reality and we just don't know it. So it is our perception of reality.

Are you saying this Perception is not individual?

 

[Herr Heinrich]

Are you saying this Perception is not individual?

Could be. But I am saying that science in general is the ordering of human perception of reality. Reality could be totally different and we just don't see it. Sure I suppose it is individual to an extent, but that is a different argument I think.

 

[Gabethewiking]

Could be. But I am saying that science in general is the ordering of human perception of reality. Reality could be totally different and we just don't see it. Sure I suppose it is individual to an extent, but that is a different argument I think.

So how do you know if we don't see it?

 

[Adramelek]

I am curious about what people from different religions consider to be evidence that their religion is the right religion.

For some religions or religious followers the notion that there is a right religion would make little sense. It makes little sense to me for instance.

Really, the right religion. Right for what? (open question)

Human beings are so different, so individual, no wonder there are so many different philosophies and religions in the world, past and present. There will never be any one "true" religion or philosophy that the entire world will ever embrace without revolt and revolution.

As for me, I walk the Left-Hand Path and have all my life because it Works for me, and frees me to Be my True Self. I am a Setian because, among other reasons, I seek the knowledge, Truth, and undefiled wisdom of the Lord of Darkness in his most ancient symblance as the Egyptian Neter Set - god of the Sky by Night and First Principle of psychecentric Awareness.

The LHP and especially Setianism is most diffenitely not for everyone. Maybe 1 out of every 10 who join the Temple of Set make it to the Second Degree known as Adept. The Setian philosophy of Xeper= Self-Creation, Self-Ascension, isn't easy, but the rewards far outweigh the trials and tribulations.

Xeper in Ma'at.
/Adramelek\

 

[hindupridemn]

God told me all religions are true.

 

[Caladan]

I am curious about what people from different religions consider to be evidence that their religion is the right religion. I do not want this to turn into a debate. I just want to see what people respond with, for my own knowledge. Thanks!

Atheism is a default position for me, while the theology of some people is God-inspired to them, to me it makes an interesting study of human beings. scientific discoveries which are not at odds with religious dogma makes atheism a natural position for me. while you ask what people consider as evidence, perhaps its the lack of evidence for various versions of God that makes atheism natural for me, and more than that, I find the quest for evidence irrelevant in many ways, perhaps also because I blend some freelancing pantheism with my atheistic positions, the infinite universe offers us a lot to explore before we give in to one theology and hold it exclusive.
Not only does my atheism NOT stop me from exploring world religions, but in many ways for me atheism thrives on exploring scriptures and religious phenomena without attachment. I can relate to the concept of Tao, the parables of Christ, and enjoy world mythology without religious zeal yet with genuine interest.

 

[Necessary_Control]

I wonder if I may pose another question. It surely must require a Herculean amount of strength to have complete and utter faith in something that really has no substantial evidence. I do not mean this as an insult, it is merely my observation. Therefor, how is it that those of you who believe so completely in your religion, are able to do so? It may just be myself, but I am not able to have such faith in something of which there is no proof.

 

[Madhuri]

I wonder if I may pose another question. It surely must require a Herculean amount of strength to have complete and utter faith in something that really has no substantial evidence. I do not mean this as an insult, it is merely my observation. Therefor, how is it that those of you who believe so completely in your religion, are able to do so? It may just be myself, but I am not able to have such faith in something of which there is no proof.

I think that for many it is because we are brought up in the religion and have not yet allowed ourselves to explore other possibilities. For others, it is enough to have strong personal experiences that act as evidence. I mean, if I met God or experienced a lot of mysticism I would also have strong faith.
There are other reasons too but I think the above are the main.

 

[enchanted_one1975]

My Deities speak to me in various ways. I would have to be stupid to not believe in Them.

 

[Snowber]

Thanks for not turning this into a debate haha.

Why I believe (submit to) the Koran being a confirmation of the Torah and Gospel:

1) The absence of ignorance in a time of what could be said was great ignorance (all the Arabs were pretty much in tribal form). Of course this is not enough to say I believe so moving on..

2) A mathematical structure, not only mentioned in the Koran as being there but way too complex for anyone 1400 years ago to have come up with whether genius or not. Much of it involves the use of a computer (<-- let the debate begin!) just kidding -_^

The Koran quoting a Rabbi who discovered a similar mathematical system found in the Torah (we even have a historic account of this) tells me that there is a lot more going on than human teachings.

3) The science in the Koran seems to be well ahead of it's time (confirmation of Big Bang theory, shortening of breath as you "climb towards the sky" (though of course I wouldn't let this be the only reason for belief), and more.

I should add, and this is not referring to the Koran specifically but to belief in "more going on than what we think" is the little odd things that seem to happen in our lives, many of which seem to have a weird resemblance to how we act (some call this Karma) but not only "Karma", I think many people can say they've had these experiences themselves they just seem to be a little more than coincidence sometimes.

 

[Snowber]

I wonder if I may pose another question. It surely must require a Herculean amount of strength to have complete and utter faith in something that really has no substantial evidence. I do not mean this as an insult, it is merely my observation. Therefor, how is it that those of you who believe so completely in your religion, are able to do so? It may just be myself, but I am not able to have such faith in something of which there is no proof.

How people were willing to kill and get killed in the past, I don't know to you the truth. On the other hand I think we've entered an era where we can use knowledge as our sword and in fact many people do believe there is proof, or at least evidence.