Evidences Supporting the Biblical Flood

[sooda]

No where?

How about in Genesis 7...

17And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth. 18And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters. 19And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered. 20Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered. 21And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man: 22All in whose nostrils wasthe breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died. 23And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.24And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days.
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• all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered
• All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.

If you wish to argue that the Bible story is false, we can take that up.

The Euphrates River Basin isn't very hilly. The area north of Basra is about 30' above sea level and less as you go further South.

 

[sooda]

No you misquoted Jeremiah, it easy to understand what exactly Jeremiah is talking about, once a person puts everything in it's proper order of events throughout the Bible.

Here's the quote which you should read in context.

24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.

25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.

26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.

 

[Audie]

Well it's evidence that you have no clue or idea, What caused the first flood of water that destroyed everything.a little over a million years ago.
By the way, at the time of the first flood of water there were no terrestrial humans on earth.
Only the celestial man was on earth at the time of the first flood of water.

There was no such flood "a little over a million years ago"
nor at any other time.

 

[sooda]

There was no such flood "a little over a million years ago"
nor at any other time.

Jeremiah 24 is about the desolation left behind when the "good figs" are taken into exile in Babylon.

The people taken were the educated elite... craftsmen and artisans not the poor ...

 

[Shad]

The Sumerian myth originated 2000 years before Noah's story in the Euphrates River basin.. There's ample geologic evidence.

Gilgamesh?

It was not an uncommon occurrence what with spring snowmelt from the mountains and spring rains.. Intermittent flooding built the delta south of Basra.

A lot of the area is a flood plain by definition.

 

[sooda]

Gilgamesh?



A lot of the area is a flood plain by definition.

Yes. I is flood plain.

Ziusudra - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ziusudra
Ziusudra is one of several mythic characters that are protagonists of near-eastern Flood myths, including Atrahasis, Utnapishtim and the biblical Noah - although each story has distinctive elements, many key story elements are common to two, three, or four versions.

 

[ecco]

Hard to imagine that any adult would be struggling with the story of Noah's Ark.

Childhood indoctrination is a very powerful, long lasting force.

 

[ecco]

Hard to imagine that any adult would be struggling with the story of Noah's Ark.

I find it hard to imagine that any adult would believe in the whole Jesus story as told in the gospels.

Everyone has different degrees of walls.

 

[Audie]

Jeremiah 24 is about the desolation left behind when the "good figs" are taken into exile in Babylon.

The people taken were the educated elite... craftsmen and artisans not the poor ...

That may be the truth and it may be a lie, but what on earth does
it have to do with what I said?

 

[ecco]

My doubts about it arose when I was 10 and, like belief in Santa, the tooth fairy and the Easter bunny, my belief in the flood drifted away from that time forward. The ideas the story conveyed however, are still present in my mind.

See my comments to sooda in post # 1248 above.

 

[ecco]

The Euphrates River Basin isn't very hilly. The area north of Basra is about 30' above sea level and less as you go further South.

Why is that addressed to me?

 

[sooda]

Why is that addressed to me?

An error I suppose.

 

[sooda]

Childhood indoctrination is a very powerful, long lasting force.

I really don't agree with you on that. 9 and 10 year olds can think... and question whether a man could live inside a fish or walk on water.

I think its something else.. like fear of being marginalized for questioning their elders.

I am sort of from another camp.. I think that if you haven't questioned the BS of world wide floods and walking on water, either you are dumb as a brick or afraid.

Remember that Jacob "wrestled with God"....

 

[Audie]

Childhood indoctrination is a very powerful, long lasting force.

Yes indeed. You have to wonder about it, here are
people who once were innocent eager little kids,
wanting to learn and understand, and at some point
the turn into something so sadly different.

I have an uncle who was a teenager when he was
swept up in the cultural revolution. I guess their
indoctrination was pretty intense

No telling what unspeakable things he did.

In the event, he never got past it, and you do not
want to get him started.

 

[Audie]

I really don't agree with you on that. 9 and 10 year olds can think... and question whether a man could live inside a fish or walk on water.

I think its something else.. like fear of being marginalized for questioning their elders.

I am sort of from another camp.. I think that if you haven't questioned the BS of world wide floods and walking on water, either you are dumb as a brick or afraid.

Remember that Jacob "wrestled with God"....

In what way does that not go for the whole of the religion,
or Islam, for that matter.

 

[sooda]

In what way does that not go for the whole of the religion,
or Islam, for that matter.

Yeah I think so too.

My grandparents were extreme fundamentalists.. and I adored them. My parents were well-educated and they were NOT fundamentalists.

I am very grateful that my parents acted like "placeholders" to let me think it thru.. I mean from Santa and the Easter bunny to the epic myths of the OT.

 

[ecco]

I am sort of from another camp.. I think that if you haven't questioned the BS of world wide floods and walking on water, either you are dumb as a brick or afraid.

Yet you believe a man was born to a virgin who was impregnated by a ghost; walked on water; fed the multitudes with fish and a loaf of bread (or whatever); was followed around by scribes who recorded his every word; died, came back to life, disappeared.

Or are you a different type of Christian?

 

[Audie]

That was my initial take on the BSd hypothesis, but subsequent reading has revealed some challenges to the idea. Though, the difference in timing need not mean that such an event could not be the primary source of flood myths. Survivors could have started telling tales and they grew from there.

IF, as our floodie friends like to say, there are
200 (number varies) flood myths around the
world, they are not likely all connected to
anything about the black sea.

In the event if black sea is the source, there
is a kind of a G Washington hatchet originality
to the account.

 

[sooda]

Yet you believe a man was born to a virgin who was impregnated by a ghost; walked on water; fed the multitudes with fish and a loaf of bread (or whatever); was followed around by scribes who recorded his every word; died, came back to life, disappeared.

Or are you a different type of Christian?

Stop projecting. I don't believe in superstition or myth or supernatural events.

 

[ecco]

Yet you believe a man was born to a virgin who was impregnated by a ghost; walked on water; fed the multitudes with fish and a loaf of bread (or whatever); was followed around by scribes who recorded his every word; died, came back to life, disappeared.

Or are you a different type of Christian?

Stop projecting. I don't believe in superstition or myth or supernatural events.

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If you don't believe in superstition or myth or supernatural events why do you list your religion as Christian?