Evil May Never Be Vanquished

[Koldo]

It brings new things.

Is being 'new' the most important trait of a thing on regards to how good it is?

Permanency.

I am not sure I follow what you mean here.
I will ask that question in a different manner, and if you still answer it in the same manner we will follow from there: What is it that this world lacks to be a place where 'change' is no longer something desirable ( no longer something good ) in itself ?

 

[CynthiaCypher]

There is one thing that we human love to do. We tend to externalize evil. What if evil is not something external?

 

[FranklinMichaelV.3]

Wait...what is evil?

 

[Koldo]

There is one thing that we human love to do. We tend to externalize evil. What if evil is not something external?

What if it is both internal and external?

 

[Koldo]

Wait...what is evil?

Bubble boy, is that you?

 

[Breathe]

Is being 'new' the most important trait of a thing on regards to how good it is?

No, but growth is one of the important things. Growth, learning, and so on are important aspects of being human. Ignorance, pain, suffering and so on are essential; there has to be a lack of something for us to strive to fill that void.

I am not sure I follow what you mean here.
I will ask that question in a different manner, and if you still answer it in the same manner we will follow from there: What is it that this world lacks to be a place where 'change' is no longer something desirable ( no longer something good ) in itself ?

Being perfect. Being Paradise.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

What if it is both internal and external?

Maybe that external evil exist because we externalize the evil which resides in us.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

Evil only exists where expectations limit good. If you want to vanquish evil, decrease your expectations.

 

[Koldo]

No, but growth is one of the important things. Growth, learning, and so on are important aspects of being human. Ignorance, pain, suffering and so on are essential; there has to be a lack of something for us to strive to fill that void.

Why are they important?

I would argue growth and learning are important just so we can avoid ( or diminish ) ignorance, pain and suffering. Those things that decrease our overall happiness. They are a mean to an end.

If you value ignorance, pain and suffering because that leads to our growth, that means you consider 'growth' to be an end in itself. This means growth in itself is more relevant than the things that can be achieved through it.

This is what I am trying to understand. Why do you consider growth in itself to be such an important end?

Being perfect. Being Paradise.

What does 'being perfect' mean? What is 'paradise'?

 

[FranklinMichaelV.3]

Bubble boy, is that you?

I'm just curious.

I found out that dolphins like to kill Porpoises and as far as science can tell it's for sport.

Does that make them evil? Or is evil something we only attribute to people?

 

[Koldo]

I'm just curious.

I found out that dolphins like to kill Porpoises and as far as science can tell it's for sport.

Does that make them evil? Or is evil something we only attribute to people?

Depends on whether you think dolphins are moral agents.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

Depends on whether you think dolphins are moral agents.

As if the concept of moral agency helps the matter.

 

[Koldo]

As if the concept of moral agency helps the matter.

I am not sure on what you mean here.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

I am not sure on what you mean here.

If a dolphin kills a human being, what do you think human beings especially the victims will think of that act?

 

[The Sum of Awe]

If a dolphin kills a human being, what do you think human beings especially the victims will think of that act?

Most likely something along the lines of: "Damn nature, you scary!"

 

[Gjallarhorn]

I am not sure on what you mean here.

A moral agent is "a being who is capable of acting with reference to right and wrong."

Moral agency - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

...but this doesn't explain what right and wrong are, or why blame should be ascribed, or even what "evil" is.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Most likely something along the lines of: "Damn nature, you scary!"

I highly doubt people are that rational.

 

[Koldo]

If a dolphin kills a human being, what do you think human beings especially the victims will think of that act?

Depends on the human beings.

 

[Koldo]

Moral agency - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

...but this doesn't explain what right and wrong are, or why blame should be ascribed, or even what "evil" is.

None of which was brought up by the dolphin example.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

None of which was brought up by the dolphin example.

Of course it was. You claimed whether dolphins can be considered evil depends on moral agency. However, moral agency is a flimsy term that ultimately doesn't help the matter.

Knowing right and wrong is typically used to assign culpability, but there is nothing intrinsic to moral agency that would make this deductive. It also doesn't help with determining who or what is considered evil, since right and wrong do not carry the weight evil does.