Ok, but I am saying that there was a point at which literally nothing existed...
There's no suggestion of that. Not from the Big Bang, or from anything.
Ok, so I challenge you to give me one single entity within the universe that is responsible for its own beginning.
That's not even the point I'm trying to make.
I'm simply saying that just because something isn't self-creating doesn't make the cause a deity, including the Universe.
Your only reason for why it should be a deity is simply because "it's in our vocabulary."
So please explain to me as to how you know the probability of whether a car, horse, and any other thing can pop in to being out of nothing. What mathematical formula are you using to determine this?
I didn't say anything about anything popping out of nothing. I said in QM, thinks/events/occurrences don't happen necessarily due to a cause. They happen based off probability.
Because it's more particles. A single particle can quantum tunnel by chance. It's less likely for two to do it. It's even less likely for 100 to do it.
Big objects like cars and horses are made out of an immense number of particles.
First off, there is evidence that the universe began to exist, it is called the Standard Big Bang theory. Second, The whole "energy can't be either created or destroyed" is the first law of theromdynamics, which only came into play after the universe began to exist, and the argument presupposes naturalism.
It doesn't matter. Strictly and formally speaking, the Big Bang says nothing about matter and energy.
It simply describes a
state of the early Universe; that it was extremely hot and dense. You get extreme curvature of space-time with that. Same with a black hole.
That doesn't mean there was nothing at any point. Quite the contrary since matter and energy are the very things that distort space-time.
If the universe is eternal, then why did it begin to expand only 13.7 billion years ago?
Nobody knows.
That's what we do in science when we don't know something, we say we don't know. Not take random guesses and assumptions and say there was nothing or that god did it. It's irrational. No one knows why the Universe was in a dense-hot state 13 billion years ago. We just know that it was.
Yes it does, according to the standard model, literally nothing exist before the big bang.
No.
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The Big Bang Model is a broadly accepted theory for the origin and evolution of our universe. It postulates that 12 to 14 billion years ago, the portion of the universe we can see today was only a few millimeters across. It has since expanded from this hot dense state into the vast and much cooler cosmos we currently inhabit."
WMAP Big Bang Theory
That's all it is. All this talk about there being nothing before it is taking it out of context.
That is just another name for God. Changing the name doesn't mean anything. If you want to call the Intelligent Designer "FSM", then have at it. You would still imply intelligent design in the meantime.
Not if we don't describe any of the alternatives as eternal or timeless or all-knowing. Then it isn't simply changing the name of your god.
It could have just been advanced aliens, or simply another Universe.
That is the religion of Charles Darwin. I prefer the religion of Jesus Christ.
Exactly. You
prefer to go with a certain belief. You believe it because you want to believe it, not because of any data or reasoning.
It's the most comfortable to you.
Gravity and physical laws still have to operate within a universe...in time...which is absurd. Time cannot be past eternal.
They still are external to the things they form. That was the whole point.
And other laws could operate outside of our Universe, but are still just laws. Not a god.
