Evolution and Sociology on Religion and Morals

[Yerda]

The problem with sampling from modern worldwide cultures is that globalization has led to Western philosophy to permeate in every major modern culture. Furthermore, our records of cultures is skewed because most observations were made by westerners. Hopefully there is a way around these problems

Well, let's say that in principle I consider it a relevant test. While in practice many things in science are complicated.

 

[yossarian22]

Well, let's say that in principle I consider it a relevant test. While in practice many things in science are complicated.

In principle it would be a good test.

 

[UnTheist]

No, it just means where you grow up MADE you moral.

Wrong.

Furthermore, if people were innately moral, I hardly think they would be taking slaves, making war, and pillaging for millenia.

I did not say that people were innately moral. I said they had the innate ability to be moral. It does not mean they will be moral. Atrocities of other people do not disprove my ability to be moral without laws or rules.

 

[yossarian22]

Wrong.

Really, so you suggest that no matter where you grew up, under whatever circumstances, you would still have a set of moral codes? unlikely.

I did not say that people were innately moral. I said they had the innate ability to be moral. It does not mean they will be moral. Atrocities of other people do not disprovre myability to be moral without laws or rules.

I doubt that you have been anywhere without laws or rules.
You continue to treat morals as an absolute, but morality depends on which end of the spear you are at.

 

[UnTheist]

Really, so you suggest that no matter where you grew up, under whatever circumstances, you would still have a set of moral codes? unlikely.

I never said that. I said that I now have my own reasons for being moral other than the law. What I could have been obviously isn't what I am.

I doubt that you have been anywhere without laws or rules.

Irrelevant.

You continue to treat morals as an absolute, but morality depends on which end of the spear you are at.

I do not see morals as absolute. But I can act in a way that allows me and everyone else to live more peacefully and enjoy their lives more. It is a goal of mine. Not because "the law says so."

 

[yossarian22]

I never said that. I said that I now have my own reasons for being moral other than the law. What I could have been obviously isn't what I am.

IF nothing around you MADE you moral, that means you have a set of moral codes built in and would be the same no matter what the environment

Irrelevant.

Atrocities of other people do not disprovre myability to be moral without laws or rules.

Don't think so. You argue that you would be moral regardless of laws and rules. Because you have never been to a place without laws and rules, you cannot make this claim

I do not see morals as absolute. But I can act in a way that allows me and everyone else to live more peacefully and enjoy their lives more. It is a goal of mine. Not because "the law says so."

But why are you the way you are? Your environment, which is shaped by the society you live in, which was based of a set of moral codes enforced rigidly by an authoritarian government.

 

[michel]

I had written an article on evolution’s impact on religion and morals. Tell me what you think about it.
The general idea is that evolution created religion and morals for the sake of humanity’s survival.

Full article:
vlujunbaga.blogspot.com/2007/07/v-xi-goddam-evolution.html

If you disagree, feel free to make me look stupid.

I disagree, but I would never even want to make you fell - or look - stupid. I hope you will grant me that honor too, as a believer in God..........

 

[UnTheist]

IF nothing around you MADE you moral, that means you have a set of moral codes built in and would be the same no matter what the environment

Where did I say that a specific 'code' of morals are built in? I said you had the ability to have a concept of morals and use them, whatever they would be. If anything MADE me moral, it certainly wasn't Authority.

Don't think so. You argue that you would be moral regardless of laws and rules. Because you have never been to a place without laws and rules, you cannot make this claim

Of course I can: I never worry about the law. I have no desire to murder, to steal, or hurt anyone. If the law was the only thing that kept me from doing such things, it would be on my mind and it would scare me. But it doesn't.

But why are you the way you are? Your environment. Why is your environment, which is shaped by the society you live in, which was based of a set of moral codes enforced rigidly by an authoritarian government.

It's for the people that have nothing else holding them back.

 

[yossarian22]

Where did I say that a specific 'code' of morals are built in? I said you had the ability to have a concept of morals and use them, whatever they would be. If anything MADE me moral, it certainly wasn't Authority.

You are not indicative of the whole population

Of course I can: I never worry about the law. I have no desire to murder, to steal, or hurt anyone. If the law was the only thing that kept me from doing such things, it would be on my mind and it would scare me. But it doesn't.

This still does not address the flaw in your assumption. You are a product of society. Society had a moral code shoved down its throat to ensure its existence. You have had a moral code shoved down your throat to ensure your existence.

It's for the people that have nothing else holding them back.

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In other words, people without controlling society

 

[UnTheist]

This still does not address the flaw in your assumption. You are a product of society. Society had a moral code shoved down its throat to ensure its existence. You have had a moral code shoved down your throat to ensure your existence.

Once again, you cannot prove this. Do not act like you know me, please. It's pathetic.

 

[yossarian22]

Once again, you cannot prove this. Do not act like you know me, please. It's pathetic.

So you deny growing up in a society? You lived completely alone in the wilderness? I doubt it, because if you did, you would not be anywhere near as articulate as you are.
People have no morality and have to capability of being moral. Morality is created by society to ensure its survival, and you live in a society. You are a product of your environment.

 

[UnTheist]

So you deny growing up in a society? You lived completely alone in the wilderness? I doubt it, because if you did, you would not be anywhere near as articulate as you are. People have no morality and have to capability of being moral. Morality is created by society to ensure its survival, and you live in a society. You are a product of your environment.

Whatever you say, man.

 

[yossarian22]

Yep..