Evolution & Creationism are both Faith & Supernatural based

[Dan From Smithville]

I just posted a link.. He's very weird.

Wonder why its so important for creationists to deny science.

I am convinced that he is fully blown delusional and possibly schizophrenic.

Our latest preacher may or may not be delusional, but the similarities to Jordan, with the use of revisionist and fabricated science along with the confidence of his own authority as an expert in fields he knows nothing about, is striking.

 

[sooda]

I am convinced that he is fully blown delusional and possibly schizophrenic.

Our latest preacher may or may not be delusional, but the similarities to Jordan, with the use of revisionist and fabricated science along with the confidence of his own authority as an expert in fields he knows nothing about, is striking.

Have you noticed here that we have posters to constantly trash Catholics or attack Paul, Peter etc? Then they attack Muslims. Its getting a bit deep for me. I would actually like to learn more about Judaism.. There is just so much focus on the end times.

These people just want to believe the worst or whatever is fantastic and supernatural.

 

[Patriottechsan]

So you won't answer why the proven frauds shouldn't be removed from textbooks?

You don't want or don't believe in teaching a subject honestly?

The fact that they are still there and still used indicates the lack of real honesty in the science. That it doesn't bother you also says so much. Agenda supersedes honesty in science education.

So you also think that the real science problems that evolution has shouldn't be allowed to be discussed in class.

Tell me. What problems are you aware of or been shown that evolution has scientifically. Surely you are aware of some. If so tell me the ones you are aware of. Surely you aren't so naive to think there are no problem with it.

 

[sooda]

So you won't answer why the proven frauds shouldn't be removed from textbooks?

You don't want or don't believe in teaching a subject honestly?

The fact that they are still there and still used indicates the lack of real honesty in the science. That it doesn't bother you also says so much. Agenda supersedes honesty in science education.

So you also think that the real science problems that evolution has shouldn't be allowed to be discussed in class.

Tell me. What problems are you aware of or been shown that evolution has scientifically. Surely you are aware of some. If so tell me the ones you are aware of. Surely you aren't so naive to think there are no problem with it.

What proven frauds? Did you have basic science or biology courses in school?

 

[Dan From Smithville]

What proven frauds? Did you have basic science or biology courses in school?

Have you read his posts. He doesn't know anything about science. His science amounts to accepting, without analysis. every false, pseudoscience claim made by ID proponents.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Have you noticed here that we have posters to constantly trash Catholics or attack Paul, Peter etc? Then they attack Muslims. Its getting a bit deep for me. I would actually like to learn more about Judaism.. There is just so much focus on the end times.

These people just want to believe the worst or whatever is fantastic and supernatural.

There is a lot of trashing that goes on in this forum and it seems to come largely from people that really do not appear to know very much.

Sometimes I will push back, but I have specifically stayed out of threads where I see it being pointless to join in. I realize that debate in the US is very robust, but sometimes, I just figure it is not worth what I get out of it.

Sometimes, a wicked side of me likes to get in and mix it up a bit. And I have to admit, there are certain positions that get me in action. People that push pseudoscience is the main one.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

So you won't answer why the proven frauds shouldn't be removed from textbooks?

You don't want or don't believe in teaching a subject honestly?

The fact that they are still there and still used indicates the lack of real honesty in the science. That it doesn't bother you also says so much. Agenda supersedes honesty in science education.

So you also think that the real science problems that evolution has shouldn't be allowed to be discussed in class.

Tell me. What problems are you aware of or been shown that evolution has scientifically. Surely you are aware of some. If so tell me the ones you are aware of. Surely you aren't so naive to think there are no problem with it.

Who are you talking to? Anyone in particular? Nobody? Anybody? Hello?

 

[Dan From Smithville]

What proven frauds? Did you have basic science or biology courses in school?

He is a classic. He comes on here with "here is my claim". Now you have to agree to some rules in defending that claim for me.

 

[Skwim]

I guess that explains why all of his posts have seemed like just multiple postings of the same thing. They were.

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[Patriottechsan]

I gave you the list earlier in this thread from Dr Well microbiologist who wrote the book Icons of Evolution & now has written a follow up to it. Sad how you so cut yourself off from anything that's negative about Evolution. I could give links but you won't read.

Let me try to explain this again.

Take all the systems in our body, nervous, muscular, circulatory heart etc. Now when mankind is trying to duplicate those functional systems
we must use intelligence to first to discover how they all work & then how they all work with each other. Again we must use intelligence to discover how all of this
works together. All using mankind's intelligence to discover how these complex Functional systems work.

It's interesting to me how to find & discover how all those functional systems work we MUST use mankind's brilliance ie intelligence!

Yet evolution wants me to buy that the origin of those functional systems came about by evolutionary means which means it took no actual reasoning thinking intelligence to design originally but takes intelligent design to replicate & even worse the replica mankind intelligence makes isn't in any way as good as the original. That's why heart transplants are better than artificial hearts made & designed by intelligent designers of mankind.

It. just makes no logical or common sense that the original was created by evolutionary means w/o intelligence. Yet upon analysis I'm told to believe what took intelligence to discover & analyze what was created & fully understand how it works & attempts to recreate something similar that absolutely requires Intelligence! It wasn't needed originally!

You really expect me to believe that!!

Nothing in our lives validates evolutions foundational principle like that is even remotely possible.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

I gave you the list earlier in this thread from Dr Well microbiologist who wrote the book Icons of Evolution & now has written a follow up to it. Sad how you so cut yourself off from anything that's negative about Evolution. I could give links but you won't read.

Let me try to explain this again.

Take all the systems in our body, nervous, muscular, circulatory heart etc. Now when mankind is trying to duplicate those functional systems
we must use intelligence to first to discover how they all work & then how they all work with each other. Again we must use intelligence to discover how all of this
works together. All using mankind's intelligence to discover how these complex Functional systems work.

It's interesting to me how to find & discover how all those functional systems work we MUST use mankind's brilliance ie intelligence!

Yet evolution wants me to buy that the origin of those functional systems came about by evolutionary means which means it took no actual reasoning thinking intelligence to design originally but takes intelligent design to replicate & even worse the replica mankind intelligence makes isn't in any way as good as the original. That's why heart transplants are better than artificial hearts made & designed by intelligent designers of mankind.

It. just makes no logical or common sense that the original was created by evolutionary means w/o intelligence. Yet upon analysis I'm told to believe what took intelligence to discover & analyze what was created & fully understand how it works & attempts to recreate something similar that absolutely requires Intelligence! It wasn't needed originally!

You really expect me to believe that!!

Nothing in our lives validates evolutions foundational principle like that is even remotely possible.

Who are you talking too?

 

[Dan From Smithville]

I gave you the list earlier in this thread from Dr Well microbiologist who wrote the book Icons of Evolution & now has written a follow up to it. Sad how you so cut yourself off from anything that's negative about Evolution. I could give links but you won't read.

Let me try to explain this again.

Take all the systems in our body, nervous, muscular, circulatory heart etc. Now when mankind is trying to duplicate those functional systems
we must use intelligence to first to discover how they all work & then how they all work with each other. Again we must use intelligence to discover how all of this
works together. All using mankind's intelligence to discover how these complex Functional systems work.

It's interesting to me how to find & discover how all those functional systems work we MUST use mankind's brilliance ie intelligence!

Yet evolution wants me to buy that the origin of those functional systems came about by evolutionary means which means it took no actual reasoning thinking intelligence to design originally but takes intelligent design to replicate & even worse the replica mankind intelligence makes isn't in any way as good as the original. That's why heart transplants are better than artificial hearts made & designed by intelligent designers of mankind.

It. just makes no logical or common sense that the original was created by evolutionary means w/o intelligence. Yet upon analysis I'm told to believe what took intelligence to discover & analyze what was created & fully understand how it works & attempts to recreate something similar that absolutely requires Intelligence! It wasn't needed originally!

You really expect me to believe that!!

Nothing in our lives validates evolutions foundational principle like that is even remotely possible.

Is this Dr. Wells any relation to Dawn Wells? She used to live with a professor on this tropical island. They didn't have any phones, lights or motor cars on that island. Not a single luxury.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

I gave you the list earlier in this thread from Dr Well microbiologist who wrote the book Icons of Evolution & now has written a follow up to it. Sad how you so cut yourself off from anything that's negative about Evolution. I could give links but you won't read.

Let me try to explain this again.

Take all the systems in our body, nervous, muscular, circulatory heart etc. Now when mankind is trying to duplicate those functional systems
we must use intelligence to first to discover how they all work & then how they all work with each other. Again we must use intelligence to discover how all of this
works together. All using mankind's intelligence to discover how these complex Functional systems work.

It's interesting to me how to find & discover how all those functional systems work we MUST use mankind's brilliance ie intelligence!

Yet evolution wants me to buy that the origin of those functional systems came about by evolutionary means which means it took no actual reasoning thinking intelligence to design originally but takes intelligent design to replicate & even worse the replica mankind intelligence makes isn't in any way as good as the original. That's why heart transplants are better than artificial hearts made & designed by intelligent designers of mankind.

It. just makes no logical or common sense that the original was created by evolutionary means w/o intelligence. Yet upon analysis I'm told to believe what took intelligence to discover & analyze what was created & fully understand how it works & attempts to recreate something similar that absolutely requires Intelligence! It wasn't needed originally!

You really expect me to believe that!!

Nothing in our lives validates evolutions foundational principle like that is even remotely possible.

If all that was made by intelligent designers, then why are there still intelligent designers around? Huh?

 

[Dan From Smithville]

I gave you the list earlier in this thread from Dr Well microbiologist who wrote the book Icons of Evolution & now has written a follow up to it. Sad how you so cut yourself off from anything that's negative about Evolution. I could give links but you won't read.

Let me try to explain this again.

Take all the systems in our body, nervous, muscular, circulatory heart etc. Now when mankind is trying to duplicate those functional systems
we must use intelligence to first to discover how they all work & then how they all work with each other. Again we must use intelligence to discover how all of this
works together. All using mankind's intelligence to discover how these complex Functional systems work.

It's interesting to me how to find & discover how all those functional systems work we MUST use mankind's brilliance ie intelligence!

Yet evolution wants me to buy that the origin of those functional systems came about by evolutionary means which means it took no actual reasoning thinking intelligence to design originally but takes intelligent design to replicate & even worse the replica mankind intelligence makes isn't in any way as good as the original. That's why heart transplants are better than artificial hearts made & designed by intelligent designers of mankind.

It. just makes no logical or common sense that the original was created by evolutionary means w/o intelligence. Yet upon analysis I'm told to believe what took intelligence to discover & analyze what was created & fully understand how it works & attempts to recreate something similar that absolutely requires Intelligence! It wasn't needed originally!

You really expect me to believe that!!

Nothing in our lives validates evolutions foundational principle like that is even remotely possible.

Somebody with your knowledge is wasting their time here. With what you know, I think your time would be better spent in deep meaningful discussions with the author of this site index

I feel pretty confident that your time would be better spent there and who knows what you and David could come up with.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Heart transplants. I don't buy it. It goes against common sense. Taking an organ from a person and putting one from a dead person in its place.

Note to self. Must start a list of scientists that do not believe heart transplants are real.

How can you take out a heart without killing the person? It does not make sense. It goes against my logic, math and science sense.

I cannot conceive of heart transplants.

A list of scientists that do not believe in heart transplants is possible.

Therefore, heart transplants are not real.

Trust me. I have some college degrees. I had a really good GPA. I was in the National Honor Society. Therefore, my conclusions must be true.

If you cannot prove to me, starting from the Big Bang, the origin of life and plate tectonics. Step by step like real science. All the steps from when hearts did not exist until now. Every detail. Then it is not real science and it is not true.

Listen. I have some videos of a guy that really does not like the idea of organ transplants. He was marketing director for a big company, so he knows stuff.

Prove to me that organ transplants are real. Do you agree.

Here are the rules. I make a claim. You have to prove that my claim is wrong. If you cannot. Then your argument fails.

If you do not follow the rules, I will make more posts directed at no one. I will meander around not making a lot of sense and just repeat myself while ignoring what you post.

If you go back 200 years there is stuff in text books that is not true today. That proves that science is being taught as religion. Did you know that Nebraska man was a pig? Its true. It is a fraud perpetuated by evolutionists. Coelocanth. They were not real until they were discovered. Then they were said transitional but that does not cause my math senses to tingle.

How now brown cow.

If people evolved from monkeys that how come there are still monkeys?

You find a watch. It was made by a intelligent designer. If you find a sea shell, you know it was made by an intelligent designer. Prove it wasn't.


The second law of thermodynamics says that evolution don't happen. Everything would just be chaos with natural selection trying to kill us all.

Do you agree with my rules. I make up stuff. You have to prove it. I keep whining about how we have to teach both sides in the debate in science. I ignore you. I just keep going and going and going. Timex. Made by an intelligent designer to take a licking and keep on ticking.

The banana is an excellent example of something that is designed for a specific funciotn. It has a handle. It has a cover. It opens with a ppull tab. It is shaped just rught to point at you when you eat it. Proof of intelligent designer.

San Dimas high shcool football rules!

 

[Patriottechsan]

As a statement said earlier. You know the point I've made is very valid. Yet you can't acknowledge it due to your bias not that it isn't valid.

But it isn't that what I've presented isn't enough information. Due to your bias there will never be enough information.

I could explain about Anthony Flew who was the chief spokesperson for Atheists & evolutionist for about 50 yrs. Yet when science got so advanced & kept discovering the deep complexity of the Functional Design found in all forms of life. He finally had to acknowledge the obvious.

Ironically those that so supported him before turned on him viciously & made all these wrong accusations against him. It caused him to write another book to refute the slanderous accusations.

Sadly you just won't wake up from the stupor of the fraud put over on you.

I find that sad for educated people. But it reminds me of the sickness in this world where college campuses need to have "safe spaces" for students to deal with their Trump derangement syndrome! Wow just Wow!

I've never found a honest academic researcher that's honestly looking for TRUTH not just validation for their biased opinion. They actually have to study both sides & study both sides answers & rebuttals. Not just what the other side says about their opponent. But checks it themselves.

If a person only listens to Fake News they'll never get the truth. They have to listen to both sides & for awhile to truly grasp what the differences are to the point you can explain it both ways. Like if in a debate class & teacher tricked you & told you to defend the side you were preparing to defeat. You should know that material that well that you could do it even if you disagreed. You know material so well you could do it.

None on here can do that for ID.

Sadly you reject intentionally what is so plainly seen.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

It is clear that my previous statements were valid, but ignorance and confusion struggle against valid knowledge from emerging into the world. This is clearly the result of authoritarians clashing with socialists in the political spectrum resulting an a conflagration of false pseudo=intellectual rhetoric that appeals to the masses, but serves no functional purpose to society.

The great discoveries of Mendel inspire such awe when we learn that his true aspirations were to discover whirled peas.

Sadly, ID Drs intentionally reject science and evidence and explanations because of their bias for ignorance and belief. They rely on fake news and colleges with nice lounges where they can have a smoke break.

You have to ask yourself. Do you really want to have someone put a dead guys heart in your chest or do you want science.

It's cake or death kids and we just don't have the numbers.

Our founding fathers did not accept evolution and did not follow Darwin. Alexander the Great did not believe Darwin's theory either. You will never here one of them repeating gossip, so you better be sure and listen close the first time.

Thomas Jefferson never wrote one word in defense of Darwin. Nor did Thomas Paine. You will not find mention of the theory of evolution in any work by Shakespeare. Not one word.

I have never seen an honest academic that is honestly pursuing the truth. Then I wondered, why would you call them honest. Maybe I have been looking in all the wrong places.

Who am I talking to? That is a good question. Too bad I am going to ignore it like I have ignored pretty much everything that anyone else has posted. Like I was in my own little world with my own little world agenda that has nothing to do with following the evidence.

Here is a complete list of all the evidence for intelligent design followed by a list of questions that intelligent design can be used to answer in science.

I hope those lists were useful.

Good night and good luck.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

I think it is important to mention people that have changed their minds about a subject. That makes the subject changed to become true. Did you know that? It is true. I said so and I do not have the evidence to validate that, but I do not need it.

I recently changed my opinion on the existence of Bigfoot, much to the surprise and consternation of my colleagues and supporters. Bigfoot is real. He is intelligently designed and living in a modest estate in the south of France, enjoying a much need rest from all that walking. When he is not working on his latest appearance he enjoys spending time with his family and supporting the many charities he has founded.

Bigfoot does not support Darwin. His philosophy is rooted in the failed ID concept of irreducible complexity. He also loves reading the presidents many wise words and honest statements on Twitter.

He is going back some day. Come what may. To Blue Bayou.

I cannot believe that an educated person, someone that might have two masters degrees in undisclosed areas and claiming to have worked on some undisclosed science project could produce work that is not remotely close to containing anything revealing an understanding of science.

Your bias and projection, combined with your ignorance of science lead you to false conclusions.

Who am I talking to?

You may be wondering. Well wonder all you want. I will not reveal this truth or any like it.

How can someone claim to love science and then fail to express any knowledge of science? How can someone espouse abilities in logic while failing to demonstrate even a rudimentary grasp of the concept?

How long can I keep repeating stuff to no one?

A fair question. It all started with the Big Bang. It has to start with the Big Bang. Why? I do not know. There is no evidence to support that claim, but since I say it is so, it must be so. Anyway, I cannot understand why educated people with a knowledge and understanding of science would reject intelligent design that has no evidence and is clearly not science. It does not make any sense to me, yet intelligent people do it all the time. And this despite the fact that ignorant people keep repeating variations of Paley's watchmaker argument as if it were a chant and saying it so many times will cause Bloody Mary to appear.

Do you accept these rules. I make a bunch of unsubstantiated claims. You defend them. Prove me wrong. Do it step by step like real science, whatever that means.

The X-men are proof that evolution is not true.

 

[John53]

I could explain about Anthony Flew

It's actually Antony Flew but let's not have accurate information getting in the way....

 

[Subduction Zone]

As a statement said earlier. You know the point I've made is very valid. Yet you can't acknowledge it due to your bias not that it isn't valid.

But it isn't that what I've presented isn't enough information. Due to your bias there will never be enough information.

I could explain about Anthony Flew who was the chief spokesperson for Atheists & evolutionist for about 50 yrs. Yet when science got so advanced & kept discovering the deep complexity of the Functional Design found in all forms of life. He finally had to acknowledge the obvious.

Ironically those that so supported him before turned on him viciously & made all these wrong accusations against him. It caused him to write another book to refute the slanderous accusations.

Sadly you just won't wake up from the stupor of the fraud put over on you.

I find that sad for educated people. But it reminds me of the sickness in this world where college campuses need to have "safe spaces" for students to deal with their Trump derangement syndrome! Wow just Wow!

I've never found a honest academic researcher that's honestly looking for TRUTH not just validation for their biased opinion. They actually have to study both sides & study both sides answers & rebuttals. Not just what the other side says about their opponent. But checks it themselves.

If a person only listens to Fake News they'll never get the truth. They have to listen to both sides & for awhile to truly grasp what the differences are to the point you can explain it both ways. Like if in a debate class & teacher tricked you & told you to defend the side you were preparing to defeat. You should know that material that well that you could do it even if you disagreed. You know material so well you could do it.

None on here can do that for ID.

Sadly you reject intentionally what is so plainly seen.

Why do you think that evolution is an atheist idea? It is a scientific one and there are far more Christians that accept it than atheists. And your Antony Flew example is a terrible fail. He believed in some sort of God, definitely not the Christian one and he accepted the fact of evolution until the end.