Evolution & Creationism are both Faith & Supernatural based

[Dan From Smithville]

You sure dont want to study "the way he does"!
And really, comtinuing this is to make fun of an
unfortunate person.

I would not call it studying. More like garbage in and regurgitation.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Ok then if you say you have studied both sides then I will give you this. Here is a list of questions for evolutionist to answer. Despite how you ignore it and avoid it like the plague due to it opens up so many holes in evolution. It does deal with origins. Evolution has to as it has to explain how we "mankind' got here from nothing to some thing that existed eternally or nothing existed eternally.. Then you either have to explain what existed eternally and what existed eternally and go forward to mankind as evolutionists. Or you have to explain from nothing existing eternally how something came about from nothing to everything that exists to eventually get to "mankind". You have no other options no matter how much you try to avoid it. You have to choose a side and defend it. We are and will always be talking about Origins. You simply can't avoid it. Esp evolutionist that don't allow for a God or supernatural. you have to explain eternal existence of something to get to all that exists to mankind or explain how from absolutely nothing comes into existence all things. It is totally unavoidable.

So from that here is a list of 15 Questions to answer that evolutionist need to explain from pure naturalism meaning from nothing comes everything. Or from your allowance of an eternal existence to all that exists. Then you must explain what your eternal existence is and how it came to be.

From whichever starting point you choose you need to explain your answer to these 15 questions based on your own starting point with your science and esp w/o using any faith or supernatural as true evolutionist claim is not needed. These are legit questions to answer to prove to me your are correct. A personal attack without answers will not prove your point(s)!

15 questions for evolutionists - creation.com

Who are you talking to?

When do we get to the part where you stop asserting, stop getting us to take on your burden of proof and you start providing evidence and arguments for your assertions?

 

[Patriottechsan]

As I figured you wouldn't even attempt but let me give you a link from an atheist that wrote in and a reply he got. It should surprise you if you actually read it.

Skeptic puzzles over Question Evolution - creation.com

 

[Subduction Zone]

Ok then if you say you have studied both sides then I will give you this. Here is a list of questions for evolutionist to answer. Despite how you ignore it and avoid it like the plague due to it opens up so many holes in evolution. It does deal with origins. Evolution has to as it has to explain how we "mankind' got here from nothing to some thing that existed eternally or nothing existed eternally.. Then you either have to explain what existed eternally and what existed eternally and go forward to mankind as evolutionists. Or you have to explain from nothing existing eternally how something came about from nothing to everything that exists to eventually get to "mankind". You have no other options no matter how much you try to avoid it. You have to choose a side and defend it. We are and will always be talking about Origins. You simply can't avoid it. Esp evolutionist that don't allow for a God or supernatural. you have to explain eternal existence of something to get to all that exists to mankind or explain how from absolutely nothing comes into existence all things. It is totally unavoidable.

So from that here is a list of 15 Questions to answer that evolutionist need to explain from pure naturalism meaning from nothing comes everything. Or from your allowance of an eternal existence to all that exists. Then you must explain what your eternal existence is and how it came to be.

From whichever starting point you choose you need to explain your answer to these 15 questions based on your own starting point with your science and esp w/o using any faith or supernatural as true evolutionist claim is not needed. These are legit questions to answer to prove to me your are correct. A personal attack without answers will not prove your point(s)!

15 questions for evolutionists - creation.com

When you rely upon a lying source where to even work there one has to swear not to use the scientific method it is hard to take you seriously.

First off in the sciences problems are broken down. "Origins" in the sense that you keep using the word is not a problem for evolution. It deals with what occurred with life after if began. If you can be honest and learn about evolution then I and others as well will be more than happy to work backwards with you.

Do you think that you can do that? Can you be honest and quit this illegitimate shifting of the goalposts?

 

[Subduction Zone]

As I figured you wouldn't even attempt but let me give you a link from an atheist that wrote in and a reply he got. It should surprise you if you actually read it.

Skeptic puzzles over Question Evolution - creation.com

I have not read it yet, but an uneducated atheist is not evidence for your beliefs.

Seriously, can you be honest? You do realize that there is a Commandment in regards to this and you have been breaking it left and right. You may not know how you have been spreading falsehoods, but that is not an excuse as far as the Ninth Commandment goes.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

As I figured you wouldn't even attempt but let me give you a link from an atheist that wrote in and a reply he got. It should surprise you if you actually read it.

Skeptic puzzles over Question Evolution - creation.com

Who? Who are you talking to? Why should they provide the evidence and support for your assertions?

Why can't you respond directly to the people you are talking to? Do you not know how to communicate with people or how to use this forum?

Do you imagine you are talking to someone?

 

[Dan From Smithville]

When you rely upon a lying source where to even work there one has to swear not to use the scientific method it is hard to take you seriously.

First off in the sciences problems are broken down. "Origins" in the sense that you keep using the word is not a problem for evolution. It deals with what occurred with life after if began. If you can be honest and learn about evolution then I and others as well will be more than happy to work backwards with you.

Do you think that you can do that? Can you be honest and quit this illegitimate shifting of the goalposts?

If he stops doing all of that, then his posts will be empty.

 

[John53]

Ok then if you say you have studied both sides then I will give you this. Here is a list of questions for evolutionist to answer. Despite how you ignore it and avoid it like the plague due to it opens up so many holes in evolution. It does deal with origins. Evolution has to as it has to explain how we "mankind' got here from nothing to some thing that existed eternally or nothing existed eternally.. Then you either have to explain what existed eternally and what existed eternally and go forward to mankind as evolutionists. Or you have to explain from nothing existing eternally how something came about from nothing to everything that exists to eventually get to "mankind". You have no other options no matter how much you try to avoid it. You have to choose a side and defend it. We are and will always be talking about Origins. You simply can't avoid it. Esp evolutionist that don't allow for a God or supernatural. you have to explain eternal existence of something to get to all that exists to mankind or explain how from absolutely nothing comes into existence all things. It is totally unavoidable.

So from that here is a list of 15 Questions to answer that evolutionist need to explain from pure naturalism meaning from nothing comes everything. Or from your allowance of an eternal existence to all that exists. Then you must explain what your eternal existence is and how it came to be.

From whichever starting point you choose you need to explain your answer to these 15 questions based on your own starting point with your science and esp w/o using any faith or supernatural as true evolutionist claim is not needed. These are legit questions to answer to prove to me your are correct. A personal attack without answers will not prove your point(s)!

15 questions for evolutionists - creation.com

Complete waste of time because the starting point of evolution is after life exists. As explained dozens of times you are confusing evolution with abiogenesis. Choose which it is you wish to discuss. And you could do a little work and copy over which questions you want answered instead of posting a link or perhaps even think of your own questions... thinking for yourself isn't a bad thing.

 

[John53]

As I figured you wouldn't even attempt but let me give you a link from an atheist that wrote in and a reply he got. It should surprise you if you actually read it.

Skeptic puzzles over Question Evolution - creation.com

You post a link and expect people to do your work for you by listing the questions here then answering them in a matter of minutes.... sheez

Here's a link for you that answers them. There's plenty of others if you do a quick google search, even youtube videos if you don't want to read.

Answering The 15 “Unanswerable” Questions for Evolutionists

 

[sooda]

Complete waste of time because the starting point of evolution is after life exists. As explained dozens of times you are confusing evolution with abiogenisis. Choose which it is you wish to discuss. And you could do a little work and copy over which questions you want answered instead of posting a link or perhaps even think of your own questions... thinking for yourself isn't a bad thing.

I sure don't understand why this is such a hurdle. How could anyone confuse evolution with abiogenesis?

 

[John53]

I sure don't understand why this is such a hurdle. How could anyone confuse evolution with abiogenesis?

Me either, for something to evolve it must exist... seems simple enough to me.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

I sure don't understand why this is such a hurdle. How could anyone confuse evolution with abiogenesis?

The leaders of these movements probably do know or at least most of them know. Surely Wells knows. They have nothing, but they have to have something, so they make it up and purposefully cloud the issues by conflating them. Given the ignorance of the people they are trying to reach, there is little chance any of those folks will go to science to verify what they are being told. Most of them probably have no idea where to look even if they had the will. Look at @Patriottechsan. He has no clue about science. His arguments have all been appeals and false equivalence. Not one time has he brought up anything that would challenge the theory of evolution on the basis of logic, reason or evidence.

 

[sooda]

The leaders of these movements probably do know or at least most of them know. Surely Wells knows. They have nothing, but they have to have something, so they make it up and purposefully cloud the issues by conflating them. Given the ignorance of the people they are trying to reach, there is little chance any of those folks will go to science to verify what they are being told. Most of them probably have no idea where to look even if they had the will. Look at @Patriottechsan. He has no clue about science. His arguments have all been appeals and false equivalence. Not one time has he brought up anything that would challenge the theory of evolution on the basis of logic, reason or evidence.

Well, he's leaving the door open to claim persecution.. Funny, thing.. I'm a Christian and I have never been persecuted not even when I was a minority living in an Arab country. Creation science about a 6,000 year old earth and mankind sharing the planet with dinosaurs is so screwy but it explains the penchant that Americans have for whacky conspiracy theories.. And sadly our idiot president LOVES conspiracy theories.

 

[John53]

The leaders of these movements probably do know or at least most of them know. Surely Wells knows. They have nothing, but they have to have something, so they make it up and purposefully cloud the issues by conflating them. Given the ignorance of the people they are trying to reach, there is little chance any of those folks will go to science to verify what they are being told. Most of them probably have no idea where to look even if they had the will. Look at @Patriottechsan. He has no clue about science. His arguments have all been appeals and false equivalence. Not one time has he brought up anything that would challenge the theory of evolution on the basis of logic, reason or evidence.

I must say I am a little disappointed that I haven't seen this question yet... "If we evolved from monkeys why are there still monkeys?"... That one always stumps those evil evolutionists.

 

[Patriottechsan]

What is so sad here is this. The 15 questions are legitimate science questions. Even worse showing your closed mind. The answers to the 15 questions deal with so many of the multiple rebuttals evolutionist use. Including many used on this thread. Then they are answered.

But it exposes you because not only will you not read the 15 questions. You won't read how the most frequent rebuttals evolutionist use are answered.

You'd have to actually read all of that & the articles linked inside to get even more full answers. You don't truly care for TRUTH.

See this organization deals with & publishes your rebuttals with answers that you don't think have answers.

But you won't even read them.

I'm truly sorry. Because so many of the answers are provided by former believers just like you. Difference is despite their deep belief like you. They were academically honest to admit they recognized evolution had problems scientifically. They wouldn't bury their head in the sand. They read & listened to fellow scientist like themselves. They found answers to the things the needed & wanted to know. They are far more educated than people on this thread by far. They are academically honest.

Try it & you will actually learn something.
They did. If you refuse to then so be it. They aren't running from the issues like you are! Read & see for yourself & you will find your own rebuttals have been answered in their 3 part series of answers to the 15 questions.

I'm sorry for you that refuse to avail yourself of this opportunity.

You can never claim you never had the chance or won't told. The answers are there.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Well, he's leaving the door open to claim persecution.. Funny, thing.. I'm a Christian and I have never been persecuted not even when I was a minority living in an Arab country. Creation science about a 6,000 year old earth and mankind sharing the planet with dinosaurs is so screwy but it explains the penchant that Americans have for whacky conspiracy theories.. And sadly our idiot president LOVES conspiracy theories.

Like I have said on other threads, the only persecution I have ever experienced is from other Christians for not being the "right" type of Christian.

Over the last 30 years, reliance on conspiracy theories for real decision making has been on the rise. Along with the number and variety of conspiracy theories for the ignorant to choose from.

He is not the Great Fabricator for nothing. Not only does he love them, he creates them.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

I must say I am a little disappointed that I haven't seen this question yet... "If we evolved from monkeys why are there still monkeys?"... That one always stumps those evil evolutionists.

One of my all time favorites too. That may be one of the few that the OP has not thrown into this mess he is cooking up.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

You post a link and expect people to do your work for you by listing the questions here then answering them in a matter of minutes.... sheez

Here's a link for you that answers them. There's plenty of others if you do a quick google search, even youtube videos if you don't want to read.

Answering The 15 “Unanswerable” Questions for Evolutionists

What is so sad here is those 15 questions are not very good questions and not something a scientist would ask. They are the product of closed minds that do not want to understand science. The author of the link you posted did a reasonable job of answering most of them, but you will not see one attempt by a creationist to address those answers.

I would be surprised if most of us have not seen those "questions" raised, linked or cited, dozens of times. They are manufactured to set the stage for the "right" answers from the creationists that wrote them.

They are not interested in honest, evidence-based answers to those questions or to anything else. That would open up the possibility that they would learn something and that just cannot happen or their worldview would fall apart.

The irony is that the subject being questioned under fire is not a religious position and says nothing about the existence of God or that people cannot believe as they choose.

 

[John53]

What is so sad here is this. The 15 questions are legitimate science questions. Even worse showing your closed mind. The answers to the 15 questions deal with so many of the multiple rebuttals evolutionist use. Including many used on this thread. Then they are answered.

But it exposes you because not only will you not read the 15 questions. You won't read how the most frequent rebuttals evolutionist use are answered.

You'd have to actually read all of that & the articles linked inside to get even more full answers. You don't truly care for TRUTH.

See this organization deals with & publishes your rebuttals with answers that you don't think have answers.

But you won't even read them.

I'm truly sorry. Because so many of the answers are provided by former believers just like you. Difference is despite their deep belief like you. They were academically honest to admit they recognized evolution had problems scientifically. They wouldn't bury their head in the sand. They read & listened to fellow scientist like themselves. They found answers to the things the needed & wanted to know. They are far more educated than people on this thread by far. They are academically honest.

Try it & you will actually learn something.
They did. If you refuse to then so be it. They aren't running from the issues like you are! Read & see for yourself & you will find your own rebuttals have been answered in their 3 part series of answers to the 15 questions.

I'm sorry for you that refuse to avail yourself of this opportunity.

You can never claim you never had the chance or won't told. The answers are there.

It would takes days, possibly weeks to do what you want. How about asking 1 question you have at a time instead of pasting links to another persons questions that have been answered years ago.

But 1st learn how to use the forum and learn what the theory of evolution is.

 

[sooda]

What is so sad here is this. The 15 questions are legitimate science questions. Even worse showing your closed mind. The answers to the 15 questions deal with so many of the multiple rebuttals evolutionist use. Including many used on this thread. Then they are answered.

But it exposes you because not only will you not read the 15 questions. You won't read how the most frequent rebuttals evolutionist use are answered.

You'd have to actually read all of that & the articles linked inside to get even more full answers. You don't truly care for TRUTH.

See this organization deals with & publishes your rebuttals with answers that you don't think have answers.

But you won't even read them.

I'm truly sorry. Because so many of the answers are provided by former believers just like you. Difference is despite their deep belief like you. They were academically honest to admit they recognized evolution had problems scientifically. They wouldn't bury their head in the sand. They read & listened to fellow scientist like themselves. They found answers to the things the needed & wanted to know. They are far more educated than people on this thread by far. They are academically honest.

Try it & you will actually learn something.
They did. If you refuse to then so be it. They aren't running from the issues like you are! Read & see for yourself & you will find your own rebuttals have been answered in their 3 part series of answers to the 15 questions.

I'm sorry for you that refuse to avail yourself of this opportunity.

You can never claim you never had the chance or won't told. The answers are there.

Here they are.

15 questions for evolutionists - creation.com

What is so sad here is this. The 15 questions are legitimate science questions. Even worse showing your closed mind. The answers to the 15 questions deal with so many of the multiple rebuttals evolutionist use. Including many used on this thread. Then they are answered.

But it exposes you because not only will you not read the 15 questions. You won't read how the most frequent rebuttals evolutionist use are answered.

You'd have to actually read all of that & the articles linked inside to get even more full answers. You don't truly care for TRUTH.

See this organization deals with & publishes your rebuttals with answers that you don't think have answers.

But you won't even read them.

I'm truly sorry. Because so many of the answers are provided by former believers just like you. Difference is despite their deep belief like you. They were academically honest to admit they recognized evolution had problems scientifically. They wouldn't bury their head in the sand. They read & listened to fellow scientist like themselves. They found answers to the things the needed & wanted to know. They are far more educated than people on this thread by far. They are academically honest.

Try it & you will actually learn something.
They did. If you refuse to then so be it. They aren't running from the issues like you are! Read & see for yourself & you will find your own rebuttals have been answered in their 3 part series of answers to the 15 questions.

I'm sorry for you that refuse to avail yourself of this opportunity.

You can never claim you never had the chance or won't told. The answers are there.

Here they are:

15 questions for evolutionists - creation.com

Dumb..