Evolution Disproves religion NOT a creator. God exists and nobody can prove he doesn't

[Pozessed]

I'm going right to the big bang theory. The birth of evolution would have to start with the birth and evolution of the universe and therefore they go hand in hand. Most say evolution starts from microorganisms, but it actually starts with the big bang which gives way for the possibility for "earthly" evolution to happen in the first place.
We haven't studied the evolution of our cosmic energies and where these energies originated yet were so fast to deny a creator.... Not to mention the only reason people would start believing evolutionary theory to not be programmed by a creator is for self absorbed reasons.

The Big Bang did not occur at a single point in space as an "explosion." It is better thought of as the simultaneous appearance of space everywhere in the universe. That region of space that is within our present horizon was indeed no bigger than a point in the past. Nevertheless, if all of space both inside and outside our horizon is infinite now, it was born infinite. If it is closed and finite, then it was born with zero volume and grew from that. In neither case is there a "center of expansion" - a point from which the universe is expanding away from. In the ball analogy, the radius of the ball grows as the universe expands, but all points on the surface of the ball (the universe) recede from each other in an identical fashion. The interior of the ball should not be regarded as part of the universe in this analogy.

copied from Nasa


The Fibonacci sequence. It is found all over the universe right down to our DNA. Notice how it seems like a "signature mark" that any intelligent mind would use to signify their work.

With the intellect we have now, it is a shame that some of us feel the need to discredit creation only because we feel the need to be the superior intelligence.
Just because we can explain how physical life started, we have no true explanation of cosmic energy or spiritual science that is needed for life to exist.

In reality we are 99% air and energy and only 1% matter, science proves this. If you think of the creator as a conscious energy that grows when it gains knowledge our universes existence should not be hard to fathom.

 

[Skwim]

I'm going right to the big bang theory.

The Big Bang did not occur at a single point in space as an "explosion." It is better thought of as the simultaneous appearance of space everywhere in the universe. That region of space that is within our present horizon was indeed no bigger than a point in the past. Nevertheless, if all of space both inside and outside our horizon is infinite now, it was born infinite. If it is closed and finite, then it was born with zero volume and grew from that. In neither case is there a "center of expansion" - a point from which the universe is expanding away from. In the ball analogy, the radius of the ball grows as the universe expands, but all points on the surface of the ball (the universe) recede from each other in an identical fashion. The interior of the ball should not be regarded as part of the universe in this analogy.

copied from Nasa

Could have saved yourself a lot of bother here. Evolution is not concerned with the BB or any orther origin of the universe. You're barking at the wrong mailman.

The Fibonacci sequence. It is found all over the universe right down to our DNA. Notice how it seems like a "signature mark" that any intelligent mind would use to signify their work.

While it can be fun to let one's imagination soar into realms of fantasy, supposing this or that, when it comes down to evidence and facts it serves no real purpose.

With the intellect we have now, it is a shame that some of us feel the need to discredit creation only because we feel the need to be the superior intelligence.

If that was the reason, you might have a point, but that isn't the reason.

Just because we can explain how physical life started, we have no true explanation of cosmic energy or spiritual science that is needed for life to exist.

Is there some kind of point here?

In reality we are 99% air and energy and only 1% matter, science proves this. If you think of the creator as a conscious energy that grows when it gains knowledge our universes existence should not be hard to fathom.

Okay

 

[Pozessed]

Could have saved yourself a lot of bother here. Evolution is not concerned with the BB or any orther origin of the universe. You're barking at the wrong mailman.

It should be, according to evolution the universe is evolving. we can pin point evolution down to a microbe but we cant be definitive of how it started in our cosmos.

Is there some kind of point here?

lol yea, ignorance is bliss

your other 2 comments are solely your opinion.

 

[Skwim]

It should be, according to evolution the universe is evolving. we can pin point evolution down to a microbe but we cant be definitive of how it started in our cosmos.

When one uses phrases such as "according to evolution" the common presumption is that they're talking about biological evolution, and not evolution in its general sense. That you choose to use it otherwise is fine. I'll leave you and your post here to the other RF members.

 

[tumbleweed41]

Evolution Disproves religion NOT a creator. God exists and nobody can prove he doesn't

Evolution, both biological, and in the general physical sense, only disproves, or rather, discredits, certain concepts of God and Biblical liberalism.
Evolution, and/or science does not prove or disprove God in the general sense since God is typically defined as being supernatural, or outside of nature.
Science only deals with the natural, anything that cannot be proven/disproven through natural means is a matter of pure faith.

 

[SteveGrayFTW]

If you think of the creator as a conscious energy that grows when it gains knowledge our universes existence should not be hard to fathom.

I don't know about not being hard to fathom...I think if someone tried to sit down and really think about ALL aspects of it, at the very least they'd get a mild migraine.

I do believe God and evolution can co-exist though. He could have just created the universe and let everything fall into place from there, or he could have given Earth some special treatment and planted a few single cell organisms and let them rock it out, or his involvement could have been involved in some other way. We just don't know.

 

[Photonic]

Extrapolating from your title, I posit this reciprocal identity:

God doesn't exist and nobody can prove he does.


And you'll only disagree because of your opinion.

 

[Pozessed]

Extrapolating from your title, I posit this reciprocal identity:

God doesn't exist and nobody can prove he does.


And you'll only disagree because of your opinion.

The same goes for you. I bet if you searched for proof of God you'd see more evidence of conscious energy in our universe than you would see the contrary.

Physical life on earth is not the only extent of our existence. Yet that's where most people conclude their search for God because they can't explain the differences between religion, evolution, and space science.

There is proof of cosmic energy that we haven't studied as well as we could, magnetic energy is used in electricity, which is also found in all life. We don't understand the birth of magnetic energy and there is also some proof that magnetic energy is connected to emotion.
If that magnetic energy is a conscious thought, and is found all around the cosmos as an infinite energy, an infinite thought. Well then we have a new science that has yet to be studied that has to do with spiritual science.

 

[outhouse]

. I bet if you searched for proof of God you'd see more evidence of conscious energy in our universe than you would see the contrary.

which god would this be, which one are you talking about ?


El? Yahweh? Baal? Asherah? Alla? Muhammad? Jesus? or a compilation of a few?

 

[Pozessed]

which god would this be, which one are you talking about ?


El? Yahweh? Baal? Asherah? Alla? Muhammad? Jesus? or a compilation of a few?

My title says religion is wrong...

If you stop searching for answers to religion and instead you seek out of your own belief that God exists you will find more proof that God exists than not.

 

[otokage007]

I'm going right to the big bang theory. The birth of evolution would have to start with the birth and evolution of the universe and therefore they go hand in hand. Most say evolution starts from microorganisms, but it actually starts with the big bang which gives way for the possibility for "earthly" evolution to happen in the first place.

The theory of evolution is only concerned with life, not the cosmos. Evolution is not even concerned with the origin of life in this planet. Why don't u guys read a little bout evolution before trying to disprove the theory?

We haven't studied the evolution of our cosmic energies and where these energies originated yet were so fast to deny a creator....

"Evolution of cosmic energies"? :sarcastic your words sound loud but inconsistent.

Not to mention the only reason people would start believing evolutionary theory to not be programmed by a creator is for self absorbed reasons.

Since the theory never claims there's a creator or a programed pattern, it is imposible to believe evolution is programed. Those who think it is, are the ones having self absorbed reasons.

The Big Bang did not occur at a single point in space as an "explosion." It is better thought of as the simultaneous appearance of space everywhere in the universe. That region of space that is within our present horizon was indeed no bigger than a point in the past. Nevertheless, if all of space both inside and outside our horizon is infinite now, it was born infinite. If it is closed and finite, then it was born with zero volume and grew from that. In neither case is there a "center of expansion" - a point from which the universe is expanding away from. In the ball analogy, the radius of the ball grows as the universe expands, but all points on the surface of the ball (the universe) recede from each other in an identical fashion. The interior of the ball should not be regarded as part of the universe in this analogy.

So? Still don't see any proof about the universe being created.

The Fibonacci sequence. It is found all over the universe right down to our DNA. Notice how it seems like a "signature mark" that any intelligent mind would use to signify their work.

Think u've seen too much "The Da Vinci Code"

With the intellect we have now, it is a shame that some of us feel the need to discredit creation only because we feel the need to be the superior intelligence.

It is a shame that being so intelligent and cultivated, people still believe in the same nonsense as cavemen did: Gods.

Just because we can explain how physical life started, we have no true explanation of cosmic energy or spiritual science that is needed for life to exist.

200 years ago, we had no explanation about how life started or about evolution. At that time, we thought it was God's doing. Now we know it's not. So we may not know much about cosmic energy, but give scientists some time, they will probably figure it out. Trust humankind rather than God.

In reality we are 99% air and energy and only 1% matter, science proves this.

Science also proves that air is matter

If you think of the creator as a conscious energy that grows when it gains knowledge our universes existence should not be hard to fathom.

Everything becomes easier if u accept God on it. But the point of science is discovering the truth of this world, not make it easier to understand.

 

[Pozessed]

The theory of evolution is only concerned with life, not the cosmos. Evolution is not even concerned with the origin of life in this planet. Why don't u guys read a little bout evolution before trying to disprove the theory?

I have researched evolution. People deny creation because they don't look past what they believe started evolution. I don't deny evolution, I just deny evolution explains everything in life.

"Evolution of cosmic energies"? :sarcastic your words sound loud but inconsistent.

research the origin and explanation of cosmic energies and maybe you will understand a little more.

Since the theory never claims there's a creator or a programed pattern, it is imposible to believe evolution is programed. Those who think it is, are the ones having self absorbed reasons.

Oh so genes, instinct, and will don't act anything like a blueprint or a program? If the program started with the birth of the universe it is possible that it continued through to microbes.

So? Still don't see any proof about the universe being created.

science will never prove that it wasn't. Scientists will say that they can't explain the "why or how" of the big bang, and therefore Science will never have the proof it needs to denounce God ,yet people do anyways.

Think u've seen too much "The Da Vinci Code"

Right, because this sequence isn't real? That's your own perception creating the illusion.

It is a shame that being so intelligent and cultivated, people still believe in the same nonsense as cavemen did: Gods.

And the people who built the pyramids didn't believe in Gods? If you believe aliens created the pyramids then your blind to the capabilities of what a fully used and conscious mind is capable of. Spirituality is becoming a science in itself, maybe you should research it.

200 years ago, we had no explanation about how life started or about evolution. At that time, we thought it was God's doing. Now we know it's not. So we may not know much about cosmic energy, but give scientists some time, they will probably figure it out. Trust humankind rather than God.

Why cant we do both? Lets face it, putting faith in God and spreading positive energy is more fruitful than disbelieving in God and spreading negative energy while we gain knowledge.
At the very least we can prove that negative and positive emotions have an effect on society in ways that we have yet to explain.

Science also proves that air is matter

Yea but when you look into it that deeply you start to have more questions than answers don't you?

Everything becomes easier if u accept God on it. But the point of science is discovering the truth of this world, not make it easier to understand.

How is God anything other than the truth?

 

[johnhanks]

I don't deny evolution, I just deny evolution explains everything in life.

The theory of evolution provides the best explanation there has ever been, by far, for the origins of species and other animal, plant and microbial taxa. Its proponents do not pretend it explains anything more than that.

 

[outhouse]

My title says religion is wrong...

If you stop searching for answers to religion and instead you seek out of your own belief that God exists you will find more proof that God exists than not.

answer the question.

going sideways is not a option that will settle anything.


all you have provided is imagination and I want to know what its based from

 

[otokage007]

I have researched evolution. People deny creation because they don't look past what they believe started evolution. I don't deny evolution, I just deny evolution explains everything in life.

You have already been perfectly answered bout this.

research the origin and explanation of cosmic energies and maybe you will understand a little more.

Maybe I will.

Oh so genes, instinct, and will don't act anything like a blueprint or a program? If the program started with the birth of the universe it is possible that it continued through to microbes.

Good plot for a fairy tale. :/

science will never prove that it wasn't. Scientists will say that they can't explain the "why or how" of the big bang, and therefore Science will never have the proof it needs to denounce God ,yet people do anyways.

I don't really care about science "disproving" God. I will not believe in God untill science proves he/she/it exists.

Right, because this sequence isn't real? That's your own perception creating the illusion.

:sarcastic

And the people who built the pyramids didn't believe in Gods? If you believe aliens created the pyramids then your blind to the capabilities of what a fully used and conscious mind is capable of. Spirituality is becoming a science in itself, maybe you should research it.

Egiptians were still very uncivilized compared to us. And no, I don't think aliens or gods did the pyramids. I think egyptian slaves did them. Maybe u should research about the topic too

Why cant we do both? Lets face it, putting faith in God and spreading positive energy is more fruitful than disbelieving in God and spreading negative energy while we gain knowledge. At the very least we can prove that negative and positive emotions have an effect on society in ways that we have yet to explain.

I don't feel the existence of God is a positive thought. On the contrary, I find the idea of a God a bit creepy. And even if God's idea had a positive effect on society, I wouldn't lie people telling them he exists.

Yea but when you look into it that deeply you start to have more questions than answers don't you?

I'll always have questions and I will never be conformed with the answer "God did it". Never.

How is God anything other than the truth?

If God were such a huge truth, I wouldn't be doubting his existence

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Just because you cannot prove something does not exist does not mean that it automatically does.

 

[Photonic]

Just because you cannot prove something does not exist does not mean that it automatically does.

Teapot argument. Fun one.

 

[Pozessed]

The theory of evolution provides the best explanation there has ever been, by far, for the origins of species and other animal, plant and microbial taxa. Its proponents do not pretend it explains anything more than that.

Then why do a lot of evolutionists and scientists say God does not exist?

 

[Riverwolf]

My title says religion is wrong...

If you stop searching for answers to religion and instead you seek out of your own belief that God exists you will find more proof that God exists than not.

What does it mean to "seek out from your own belief?" That's a weird phrase.

 

[Riverwolf]

Then why do a lot of evolutionists and scientists say God does not exist?

Just personal belief based on their observations.

But many of them don't say God does not exist; they simply lack belief. There is a difference.