Evolution Disproves religion NOT a creator. God exists and nobody can prove he doesn't

[9Westy9]

When it comes to evolution I have been told that evolution stops at life, it doesn't take into consideration the effects the universe provided for evolution to exist... therefore evolution doesn't prove anything other than how life on our planet evolved. I theorize evolution is only plausible with the energy needed to hold atoms together, since that energy could only come from the universe evolution couldn't have existed without the universe and therefore should go hand in hand.

People theorize that the big bang disproves God because their is no plausible explanation for the universes birth. And that makes perfect sense because most things happen for no reason.

I have also stated that the Fibonacci sequence seems like an intelligent mathematical code that is found throughout our universe down to our DNA.
Whatever this code is, its intriguing at the least.

Energy = Life
Energy + Matter = Physical Life

I'm not sure how this relates to my previous post

 

[Pozessed]

There is physical evidence for the big bang. It is not as understood as well as other scientific phenomena. Buth there are four main pieces of evidence.

1. Red shift of light from all stars indicates that almost everything is moving apart
2. Measurements of background radiation
3. Predictability of general relativity
4. Ratio of elements that were produced by the big bang to those produced subsequently by stars.

There are much better explanations out there, and I am not a physicist. But suffice it to say there is reasonable proof.

Big Bang - RationalWiki

I dont doubt the big bang, i just doubt that the big bang happened without any action to make it happen. Most deny God because they can't prove whether he did or didn't intervene with the big bang.
So my question to you is, is there anything that influences the universe that also influences life that should be studied more before we deny a creator?

 

[Pozessed]

I'm not sure how this relates to my previous post

I was trying to say that because science cant prove something it averts it.

 

[Secret Chief]

The title of your OP declares that you are not interested in a discussion. An odd premise for a discussion forum...

 

[Pozessed]

The title of your OP declares that you are not interested in a discussion. An odd premise for a discussion forum...

Very true, and yet a discussion has started.

 

[Secret Chief]

Very true, and yet a discussion has started.

I see no discussion. Only knee jerk rebuttal.

 

[Pozessed]

I see no discussion. Only knee jerk rebuttal.

in that case define discussion.

 

[ron4711]

I dont doubt the big bang, i just doubt that the big bang happened without any action to make it happen. Most deny God because they can't prove whether he did or didn't intervene with the big bang.
So my question to you is, is there anything that influences the universe that also influences life that should be studied more before we deny a creator?

We do not deny a creator, though some do and I can't speak for them. We deny evidence for a creator. Since by most definitions, the creator cannot be independently verified, it is pointless to verify. By saying I do not believe a god exists I do not mean I believe tthere is no god. I am saying I do not know.

What has convinced you that there is a creator?

 

[Pozessed]

We do not deny a creator, though some do and I can't speak for them. We deny evidence for a creator. Since by most definitions, the creator cannot be independently verified, it is pointless to verify. By saying I do not believe a god exists I do not mean I believe tthere is no god. I am saying I do not know.

What has convinced you that there is a creator?

Aside from not being happy with the "nothing started something" theory of the big bang, up until recently, nothing.
I never believed there wasn't a creator, I wasn't convinced because to me there was no proof that spirituality and physicality could coexist.
Then I started to study energies and their components, then I started to realize how energy and physicality couldn't exist without each other.
After that I found out that the magnetic field can be manipulated with emotion, which to me is a sign of spirituality existing with physicality.
Only because it proves that there is a possibility of some sort of intellectual energy. I have always believed God to be infinite knowledge and there is a possibility that may be true thanks to the findings of emotions influencing the energy field that surrounds our world.

There is some more to it, but that is it for the most part.

 

[ron4711]

Aside from not being happy with the "nothing started something" theory of the big bang, up until recently, nothing.
I never believed there wasn't a creator, I wasn't convinced because to me there was no proof that spirituality and physicality could coexist.
Then I started to study energies and their components, then I started to realize how energy and physicality couldn't exist without each other.
After that I found out that the magnetic field can be manipulated with emotion, which to me is a sign of spirituality existing with physicality.
Only because it proves that there is a possibility of some sort of intellectual energy. I have always believed God to be infinite knowledge and there is a possibility that may be true thanks to the findings of emotions influencing the energy field that surrounds our world.

There is some more to it, but that is it for the most part.

Do you think emotion can exist outside of the mind? Sure emotion will register different magnetic patterns in the brain, because brain activity is electrical, or energy. So imaging of the brain will yield different pictures depending on mood brain activity etc. Brain imaging just measures the magnetic fields in the brain. That actually shows that thinking is a physical process. Since thinking constitutes our memories and personalities personality, this shows that everything we perceive ourselves to be occurs as electrical impulses in the brain.

Studies have shown that damage and alterations to the brain (drugs and chemicals for example) can cause changes in personality, mood and memory. Physical changes can lead to changes in ourselves.

There is no evidence to show that any part of our personality exists beyond the ceasing activity of our brain.

 

[9Westy9]

I was trying to say that because science cant prove something it averts it.

and how does that prove God exists? You're yet to prove the most vital part of your thread.

 

[Pozessed]

Do you think emotion can exist outside of the mind? Sure emotion will register different magnetic patterns in the brain, because brain activity is electrical, or energy. So imaging of the brain will yield different pictures depending on mood brain activity etc. Brain imaging just measures the magnetic fields in the brain. That actually shows that thinking is a physical process. Since thinking constitutes our memories and personalities personality, this shows that everything we perceive ourselves to be occurs as electrical impulses in the brain.

Great questions. Yes I do believe that emotions lay outside the human mind. We have proved love and hate to produce frequencies, and frequencies are found all over our universe.
I don't deny that our brain can be influenced or imaged using magnetic fields, but why did the magnetic field of earth change moments before 9/11?
Emotions do play a role in physical life, but you don't need a brain to feel love and fear. Plants are perfect examples of this. A plant wont grown in nature if it didn't find some reason to love it's surrounding.
Here is a link to how plants emotions can effect their growth, its a short read. Do Plants Feel Pain? | Did You Ever Wonder?.

There is no evidence to show that any part of our personality exists beyond the ceasing activity of our brain.

Another good point, which leads me to ask if maybe we have been searching for it in the wrong places?

 

[David M]

Evolution, both biological, and in the general physical sense, only disproves, or rather, discredits, certain concepts of God and Biblical liberalism.

Methinks you did not mean to write liberalism.

But yes, evolution only discredits some ways of interpreting religious writings.

 

[Photonic]

You didn't ask that, you made it sound like "if god exists who created god". as many people claim.

There is no science as to why he must exist. I have my own belief on why, but that isn't science and therefore is irrelevant.
If there must be a reason though, wouldn't our existence be enough for him to be around?
A parent who shows love unconditionally doesn't just stop loving their child because their child disowned them during an argument.
A smart parent waits for the child to find its own path in which the parent may or may not agree with but still be able to love them just as much.

You can rephrase my words to suit your purpose if you wish, but I won't respond to you if you do that. I will only say that the same reason why you believe that something cannot come from nothing is one of many reasons that atheists reject any such God.

You are just tacking on an extra explanation that "God did it," without realizing it does nothing to fix your original predicament of "something from nothing."

This is of course ignoring the fact that the big bang theory is not something from nothing. But hey, don't let me ruin your ride.

 

[gnostic]

How would life exist without atoms.

Well, that stating the blatant obvious...

Every matters in the universe are made of atoms...and of course, all life (at the very least, on Earth) are made out of atoms...but what does that have to do with god or the creator?

It's not just first life....Atoms can not exist without the energy from the universe.
Now how come we can ignore the universes necessity for all life to exist past and present?

No one is ignoring the universe or life, but to jump into the conclusion that life=existence-of-god or the universe=existence-of-god, when you can't even provide a single shred of evidence to prove the existence of your god, only show that these claims of yours are nothing more than your opinion, or your leap faith (and your belief), or your wishful thinking...or your delusions....

EVIDENCE does not in relate to your personal FAITH, your personal BELIEF, your OPINION. I can believe in dragon, phoenix or fairies, or I can believe in Isis, Zeus or Thor, all of which, there are no more physical evidences tie to them like this god of yours, but none of these are any more real than imaginary god.

 

[Pozessed]

Thank you everyone here, you are helping me whether you believe it or not. I would like to redirect here please.

http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...ism/139050-they-one-same-please-allow-me.html

 

[Riverwolf]

Very true but if I'm not mistaken pi is in this phenomena as well.
Logically speaking, anything created manually will have an artists signature or at the least a consistent pattern to prove it as his own.
In nature when something is created it has natural wear and tear or something in its surroundings to distinguish how it was created. How can this sequence be natural?

If that pattern has been found from the cosmos to our DNA, doesn't it at least prove itself to be worth studying?

It's absolutely worth studying.

It still doesn't necessitate a creator, though.