Evolution flaws which proves it fallacy.

[jake0333]

hello! i have few questions if you guys have the time to reponse to them.

is evolution a sentient thing? is it self-aware? is the process conscious?

if the answer is no! then...

is your stomach self-aware? is it conscious ?

when your stomach produce a mucous lining to protect itself from being digested by the acid, that's not because it can understands the risk of the acid, but because it was taught to operate that way.

If you swallow a liquid which is a poison, your stomach will absorb that liquid, because that's what it meant for it to do and from there it goes to your blood stream and once that poison is inside the body
it will be used. It's not the fault of your stomach that made you get poisoned and it's not it's responsibility to check what your throw in it, but it's you who has a consciousness to understand that this is wrong.

how does a tree knows what it's fruit should taste like to humans? so it makes them so sweet with tempting smell, looks and colors? why the fruit supply us with important nurtrients and it's not posionous?

is the tree a sentient thing? is it self-aware? is it conscious? if the answer again is no! then...

if an it " evolution" doesnt know and an it " tree " doesnt know then who does?

Please stay on the topic and don't try to explain evolutoin to me. if you disgree with my points then....

you are telling that evolution is capable of desiging us without having a consciousness or thoughts or knowledge or even a reason for it ?

you are telling me that evolution understand when to start evolving an organ and it knows when to stop?

you are telling me that evolution finished evolving living parts and it wrote a full set of instrctions on each specific part, so that a heart will be reproduced as a heart and a lung will be reproduced as a lung
and a stomach will be reproduced as a stomach, but in another human body? and it designed the female body to be capable of receiving and understanding those instructions?

all of this from mindless evolution without...

Any understandings of it's surroundings, brain, thoughts, without knowing what it's actions are, and without realizing what the reasons are.

 

[LuisDantas]

Evolution is neither sentient nor chaotic.

 

[jake0333]

So let's say that a blindless and mindless processes done this...

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It finished evolving living parts and it wrote a set of instructions on how to reproduce them inside another human body, but in stages from A to Z.

When you mate with your wife, you give her nothing but sperm cells. What is a sperm cell? A sperm cell is a medium that carries information from your body into her body. 50% of the information is taken from the inside of your sperm and the other 50% is from her egg, and when they both meet, a baby is conceived.

The development cycle never stops in the Womb of the mother or after the birth. it stops at the age of 23 or 25 years old when your body organs reaches the maturity stage that your father reached before you.

So the question is... is it possible for a mindless, blindness and unconscious processes to be able to write those kind of information?

 

[Ouroboros]

Another thread of "Evilution is wrong cuz I don't get it!"

There's a quick answer to any question about evolution: study, read, learn. Simple keywords and simple actions that few choose to follow.

is evolution a sentient thing? is it self-aware? is the process conscious?

No.

if the answer is no! then...

is your stomach self-aware? is it conscious ?

No.

when your stomach produce a mucous lining to protect itself from being digested by the acid, that's not because it can understands the risk of the acid, but because it was taught to operate that way.

It wasn't "taught". Since it's not conscious it doesn't have the ability to go to school and learn things. It can't memorize how to do things. The digestive system is extremely complex actually. You have thousands of foreign bacteria helping you digest the food. We live in a symbiotic world. The mucous lining is the way it is because the genes that produce it are there.

If you swallow a liquid which is a poison, your stomach will absorb that liquid, because that's what it meant for it to do and from there it goes to your blood stream and once that poison is inside the body
it will be used. It's not the fault of your stomach that made you get poisoned and it's not it's responsibility to check what your throw in it, but it's you who has a consciousness to understand that this is wrong.

Coffee is poison. Water can kill you too if you ingest too much too fast. Everything is a chemical and have good and bad effects on your system. Nicotine has shown to have some good effects to reduce cancer (besides that it also can create it). It's biochemistry, not consciousness.

how does a tree knows what it's fruit should taste like to humans? so it makes them so sweet with tempting smell, looks and colors? why the fruit supply us with important nurtrients and it's not posionous?

Then why are there poisonous fruits too in the world? If they "know" not to be poison to humans, then why are there some that are? You're not making sense.

is the tree a sentient thing? is it self-aware? is it conscious? if the answer again is no! then...

It's not.

if an it " evolution" doesnt know and an it " tree " doesnt know then who does?

Please stay on the topic and don't try to explain evolutoin to me. if you disgree with my points then....

you are telling that evolution is capable of desiging us without having a consciousness or thoughts or knowledge or even a reason for it ?

No. You don't understand how the process of evolution works. You do need to study it before you make false claims about it.

you are telling me that evolution understand when to start evolving an organ and it knows when to stop?

No. It doesn't. That's where natural selection comes in.

you are telling me that evolution finished evolving living parts and it wrote a full set of instrctions on each specific part, so that a heart will be reproduced as a heart and a lung will be reproduced as a lung
and a stomach will be reproduced as a stomach, but in another human body? and it designed the female body to be capable of receiving and understanding those instructions?

all of this from mindless evolution without...

Any understandings of it's surroundings, brain, thoughts, without knowing what it's actions are, and without realizing what the reasons are.

I know evolution is true because I studied it and understand it to large degree. I'm no scientist or expert in it, but I do know enough to know beyond any doubts that it is true. Your claims above are silly and red herrings. If you understood evolution yourself, you would know why your claims are way off.

 

[Ouroboros]

So the question is... is it possible for a mindless, blindness and unconscious processes to be able to write those kind of information?

Yes. It is possible. It has been tested by creating computer simulations of evolutionary processes and the "things" inside the software can evolve and learn to act on new situations, without the direct programming. It has also been used to prove speciation (or macroevolution). It's up to you to find these sources and research. That way you will know from firsthand and by your own dissemination of information that it is true.

 

[jake0333]

Ouroboros, you are missing the point again!

is evolution or natural selection a sentient things? are they self-aware?
are they conscious? if you say NO then you whole theory is invalid!

because your only way out is to say it was by randomness and by chance and in reality that doesn't work at all.

Do you think it's logical to say that evolution mutated the genetic code and natural selection picked the right one and they continued evolving the living creature?

if that's how it happened then one of them is conscious.

 

[idav]

I've seen a great video from a biologist explaining away intelligent design. The biologist is able to trace the steps of evolution and explain how we can tell it is not designed. Basically when when we design things they are for a specific purpose. When nature falls upon some design it utilizes it in many different ways and it isn't that the design was meant to do anything specific but organisms take what they can get in survival mode.

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'Design vs. Chance' by PZ Myers, AAI 2009 - YouTube

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Ouroboros, you are missing the point again!

is evolution or natural selection a sentient things? are they self-aware?
are they conscious? if you say NO then you whole theory is invalid!

because your only way out is to say it was by randomness and by chance and in reality that doesn't work at all.

So you think that anything that isn't the result of sentience can only be the result of "randomness" or "chance"? You do understand how ridiculous that is, right? Are natural laws sentient? Rocks which filter salt water? Clouds?

Do you think it's logical to say that evolution mutated the genetic code and natural selection picked the right one and they continued evolving the living creature?

No, because that's a really inaccurate summary. Mutations in genes are not "evolution". Evolution is what happens when mutation AND natural selection result in changes in allele frequency over time. And natural selection doesn't "pick the right one", it's a matter of creatures bearing mutations which make it more likely for them to successfully reproduce under particular environmental pressure being more likely to successfully reproduce and thus pass on those inheritable genetic traits. This isn't really that difficult to understand.

 

[jake0333]

ImmortalFlame, is it possible for evolution to sense directions?

When a turtle baby hatch from a buried egg it digs up, not down or left or right. once the turtle above the ground it runs in complete darkness toward water, even when turtle never once saw anybody els doing it before.

Inside your lungs there are small hairlike structures which are brushing dirt upwards towards the exist of the trachea, they are not brushing the dirt downwards into the lungs.

so the question again... can evolution with the help of nature selection sense directions?

If evolution is not self-aware then why the lungs is brushing dirt outside of it? why there is a mucus that acts as glue and cilia to brush the dirt outside of the lungs? without this cleaning mechanism the lungs' airways will be blocked in a matter of few weeks and the living creature will suffocate to death.

If evolution is without a consciousness then who knew that fishes need gills to breath oxygen from water and humans need lungs to breath oxygen from air?

you need a consciousness to understand those things.

 

[Iti oj]

Evoution does not start or stop. Secondy you seem to be forgetting importnat aspects such as; enviromental pressures, sexual selection, genetic drift, and the inherinet nature of ife, replication that allows for mutations.

Ergo its not really that random. You seem to complety miss the point.

 

[Ouroboros]

Ouroboros, you are missing the point again!

is evolution or natural selection a sentient things? are they self-aware?
are they conscious? if you say NO then you whole theory is invalid!

No, it's not self-aware or conscious. And no, it doesn't prove the theory wrong or invalid. The theory is supported by evidence and computer simulations that confirms it.

because your only way out is to say it was by randomness and by chance and in reality that doesn't work at all.

But it does work. Evolutionary algorithms have been used in real production successfully.

Do you think it's logical to say that evolution mutated the genetic code and natural selection picked the right one and they continued evolving the living creature?

Yes. It is logical because the algorithm does work and is logical.

if that's how it happened then one of them is conscious.

No.

 

[jake0333]

Iti oj, we won't be having this discussion if your scientist explain how the DNA information originated.

So till that happen you don't make sense at all.

Who wrote the reproduction genes inside of your DNA? why the reproduction in stages, but not as a whole complete man?

 

[sonofdad]

Iti oj, we won't be having this discussion if your scientist explain how the DNA information originated.

So till that happen you don't make sense at all.

Who wrote the reproduction genes inside of your DNA? why the reproduction in stages, but not as a whole complete man?

The origin of the first self-replicating organisms is outside the scope of the theory of evolution, evolution only explains what happened after that. You want to look into abiogenesis, it gives a plausible explanation which should address most of your questions.

 

[idav]

Who wrote the reproduction genes inside of your DNA? why the reproduction in stages, but not as a whole complete man?

Cause and effect wrote it with use of the natural forces like the laws of attraction, gravity and the elements and chemical processes that make up our universe. There is no "intention" until the chemistry is able to learn and make use of what it learned. Until intention comes into play it is just cause and effect. Sure once organisms have abilities to choose and such then they may be able to steer there evolution a little but even at that level a choice is largely illusory.

 

[ArtieE]

The origin of the first self-replicating organisms is outside the scope of the theory of evolution, evolution only explains what happened after that. You want to look into abiogenesis, it gives a plausible explanation which should address most of your questions.

And then read Evolution 101 for a good introduction to evolution.

 

[sonofdad]

And then read Evolution 101 for a good introduction to evolution.

There should be a quiz on that before you're allowed to post in this forum.

 

[jake0333]

idav, can we call the media to interview you? because you discovered something that the world scientists don't know.

Nobody knows how the universe physical laws or physical constants came into existence.
So please! be gentle on your self.

 

[Sunstone]

How does a non-sentient fire know only to consume flammable material. That's the real mystery.

 

[johnhanks]

Please stay on the topic and don't try to explain evolutoin to me...

Perish the thought you might begin to understand what you're talking about.

Who wrote the reproduction genes inside of your DNA?

Mutation and natural selection, among other processes. While we're on the subject, who do you think put a broken gene for ascorbic acid synthesis in the DNA of humans and other primates?

why the reproduction in stages, but not as a whole complete man?

Ask your Mom how much she enjoyed pushing you out as a baby. Then ask her how much she'd have enjoyed pushing out "a whole complete man".
Seriously, are you really asking why we go through embryonic development? You do realise, don't you, that sexual reproduction has to start with a single cell?

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Is it possible for a non-sentient organism to disprove evolution?

Not thus far.