Evolution has never been observed

[atanu]

A living being also breaks down without the continued input of energy to maintain it and even then for reasons not entirely clear evolutinary reasons organisms still die.

That was the point i was making. There is more to it but we can discuss it in another thread if you wish.

I will just point out that birth and death are mysteries. We do not know what takes birth and what dies? How can we be so sure of what exactly evolves and how?

 

[PolyHedral]

I will just point out that birth and death are mysteryies. We do not know what takes birth and what dies? How can we be so sure of what exactly evolves and how?

I would have thought that we are very clear when something gives birth and when something dies. (for a sufficiently rigirous idea of "dies.")

 

[tumbleweed41]

No. It would be egocentric, if i said that i was the subject or i knew the subject.

OTOH, IMO, some scientists' claims to be knowing things perfectly, when the Subject itself is not known is egocentic and idolatory, infact.

As I pointed out earlier, the Scientific Method is the antithesis of egocentrism. It relies on the testability, falsifiability, predictability and repeatability independent of the original observer or subject.

(And since when a reputable scientist claim to know anything "perfectly"?)

 

[tumbleweed41]

I will just point out that birth and death are mysteryies. We do not know what takes birth and what dies? How can we be so sure of what exactly evolves and how?

Birth and death are not mysteries. The underlying mechanics of both are well understood in biology.

 

[outhouse]

That was the point i was making. There is more to it but we can discuss it in another thread if you wish.

I will just point out that birth and death are mysteryies. We do not know what takes birth and what dies? How can we be so sure of what exactly evolves and how?

 

[atanu]

While we don't have access we can still try to learn something (however limited) about it by careful observation and patience.
Especially if we try to not let our own valuation get in the way.

Would you agree?

wa:do

If one recognises the blue part, every other thing will eventually fall in right place -- by place i mean Quagmire's religion of course. :yes:

 

[atanu]

Birth and death are not mysteries. The underlying mechanics of both are well understood in biology.

Uh? Explain to me who takes birth? Who was in the sperm? Wherefrom it came? How it carries the so-called genetic code? Who dies?

If you can answer all the questions to your own satisfaction, then you may hesitate to show so may palm faces and you may also agree within yourself that you do not know who and what evolves?

 

[tumbleweed41]

Uh? Explain to me who takes birth? Who was in the sperm? Wherefrom it came? How it carries the so-called genetic code? Who dies?

If you can answer all the questions to your own satisfaction, then you may hesitate to show so may palm faces and you may also agree within yourself that you do not know who and what evolves?

Who takes birth?

This question makes absolutely no sense.

Who was in the sperm?

No one was "in the sperm".

Where-from it came?

If by 'it' you mean the sperm, it was produced in the testes.

How it carries the genetic code?

In the DNA of the sperm and the receiving egg.

Who dies?

Everyone.

 

[atanu]

Uh? Explain to me who takes birth? Who was in the sperm? Wherefrom it came? How it carries the so-called genetic code? Who dies?

If you can answer all the questions to your own satisfaction, then you may hesitate to show so may palm faces and you may also agree within yourself that you do not know who and what evolves?

This question makes absolutely no sense.
No one was "in the sperm".
If by 'it' you mean the sperm, it was produced in the testes.
In the DNA of the sperm and the receiving egg.
Everyone.

I reckon you are very very satisfied with your answers. There is no answer to the question "Who takes birth?" yet everyone dies?

 

[painted wolf]

If one recognises the blue part, every other thing will eventually fall in right place -- by place i mean Quagmire's religion of course. :yes:

He does have a compelling philosophy. Almost as good as Sunstones. :yes:

wa:do

 

[idav]

There is no answer to the question "Who takes birth?" yet everyone dies?

We are multicellular and those cells die billions of times an hour but they become replaced until such a time that our dieing overtakes our birthing and we completely die. The birth is simply a living cell reproducing.

 

[painted wolf]

We are multicellular and those cells die billions of times an hour but they become replaced until such a time that our dieing overtakes our birthing and we completely die. The birth is simply a living cell reproducing.

Birth is a little more complicated that that... at least sexual reproduction is.

wa:do

 

[Photonic]

Birth is a little more complicated that that... at least sexual reproduction is.

wa:do

Sexual reproduction is, but cell division pretty much describes the fetal growth.

 

[tumbleweed41]

I reckon you are very very satisfied with your answers. There is no answer to the question "Who takes birth?" yet everyone dies?

"Who takes birth?" makes absolutely no sense. You might want to try rephrasing your question into a more grammatically correct sentence.

 

[idav]

Birth is a little more complicated that that... at least sexual reproduction is.

wa:do

Sure but starts with one cell then two.

 

[painted wolf]

Sure but starts with one cell then two.

Sexual reproduction actually starts with two very specialized cells. Cells that will die unless they join with their respective partner. Those two cells become one cell, then become many cells.

wa:do

 

[lunamoth]

Sexual reproduction actually starts with two very specialized cells. Cells that will die unless they join with their respective partner. Those two cells become one cell, then become many cells.

wa:do

And only under very particular conditions.

 

[painted wolf]

Sexual reproduction is, but cell division pretty much describes the fetal growth.

Well, cell division plus a lot of specalized gene activity. Embryonic development is a bit more complicated than the sort of cell division done as an adult.

There is still quite a bit about embryonic development that is unknown and it's a thriving area of research for that reason.

wa:do

 

[Acim]

Egocentricity only focuses on what the self subjectively perceives as the only valid opinion.

Do you perceive physical world as only valid existence?

Yet dreams are not reality.

In what ways are dreams of physical different from experience of physical? How does mind tell the difference?

Thus the processes of testability, predictability, falsifiability and peer reproducibility to eliminate the subjectivity of ego-centrism, such as the subjective opinion of an "inner (ego) awareness of a larger process at work".

How do you test, predict, falsify the existence of physical world, without using physical self? Ergo, it is inherently ego-centric.

But untestable and unverifiable.

Incorrect. Very testable and verifiable are certain spiritual axioms and practices.

 

[Acim]

You have repeatedly complained that science is not objective.

Incorrect, and misrepresentation. I have said that physical existence has no objective evidence available. Please refrain from straw-man arguments from this point forward.