Evolution & Heaven?

[Ella S.]

Well, we have been here before. It is the difference between methodological naturalism as a set of axioms and philosophical naturalism as true with evidence.
So if you actually can do philosophical naturalism, do it.
You would be the first one in recorded history to pull it off.

That's completely unnecessary. My argument does not require any form of naturalism, metaphysical or methodological.

Just because the only rational conclusion based on our current evidence is that there is no afterlife, that doesn't necessarily entail that there is nothing supernatural. It just means there's no afterlife.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Evolution says nothing about the existence or non-existence of a God. It only refutes mythical versions of God. I always thought that the Step and Fetchit version of God that creationists have was rather blasphemous. They try to treat their God as their own personal servant. If he did not make the universe the way that they demand that he did then he must not exist. That is bad reasoning on their part.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Heaven and evolution? Come on!

That doesn't address any part of my post.

How come young earth is cooky but yet talking to spirits isnt?

Probably don't want to insert things into my mouth. I said absolutely nothing of talking to spirits.

 

[Jimmy]

That doesn't address any part of my post.

Probably don't want to insert things into my mouth. I said absolutely nothing of talking to spirits.

Asking u a question and inserting are two different things

 

[Shadow Wolf]

If it’s negative yup

What's negative though? Like, is it negative that as a phlebotomist my imagination spins that into a horror movie like thing where I stab *****es and spill the blood of the innocent.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Asking u a question and inserting are two different things

You don't address my posts, make up things I said and now with attrocious grammar that isn't suitable for a discussion or debate why should I continue?

 

[Jimmy]

You don't address my posts, make up things I said and now with attrocious grammar that isn't suitable for a discussion or debate why should I continue?

I addressed you. Never made up things

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I addressed you. Never made up things

You didn't answer my question, you didn't address my points, but you threw in a part of "but talking to spirits." Wow, that was a leap because I never sais anything even remotely related to that so you made it up and out it there.

 

[Jimmy]

You didn't answer my question, you didn't address my points, but you threw in a part of "but talking to spirits." Wow, that was a leap because I never sais anything even remotely related to that so you made it up and out it there.

Ok

 

[Friend of Mara]

Can heaven and evolution coexist? What does that look like? Big Bang then evolution then heaven where we are reunited with our loved ones in another realm? What does heaven look like for the modern Christian who also believes evolution took place? After all the church only accepted evolution in 1950. The church claims it accepts evolution but yet every church in the world still talks about heaven? I’m confused haha

I feel like heaven doesn't square with a lot of things. Evolution doesn't seem that special. How do you square the moon and heaven? What do you mean above the sky is just ....space? Where is the heaven? Next you are going to tell me hell isn't underground. Do magnets work in heaven?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Can heaven and evolution coexist? What does that look like? Big Bang then evolution then heaven where we are reunited with our loved ones in another realm? What does heaven look like for the modern Christian who also believes evolution took place? After all the church only accepted evolution in 1950. The church claims it accepts evolution but yet every church in the world still talks about heaven? I’m confused haha

You better hope so since we know that life as we see it is the result of evolution. "Heaven" is just a religious belief.

But on the bright side I do not see any reason to believe that evolution refutes heaven. In fact evolution says noting at all about what happens spiritually after death.

 

[wellwisher]

Can heaven and evolution coexist? What does that look like? Big Bang then evolution then heaven where we are reunited with our loved ones in another realm? What does heaven look like for the modern Christian who also believes evolution took place? After all the church only accepted evolution in 1950. The church claims it accepts evolution but yet every church in the world still talks about heaven? I’m confused haha

Evolution is about changes within the living state through natural selection and genetic changes. One major change that occurred in human evolution, quite recently, was the development of the frontal lobe of the human brain. The frontal lobe is where the human imagination is processed. The imagination is a wild card in that its data processing is not limited to natural instinct or cause and affect, but it can think outside the box; fiction and nonfiction. This part of the brain allows for will, choice and innovation. Religion exercises the imagination, helping to drive the develop this new part of the brain.

If you had no imagination, you would be more of a robotic animal, acting and reacting based on pre-programmed instincts that took a long time to develop, though evolution. Animal instincts are old and very conservative. Once you use the imagination, a wild card appears, that can alter that programming with will and choice. Religions teach techniques for using the imagination to help complement natural instinct, instead of harming them. We can also use the imagination to harm instinct. Substance abuse and addiction uses the imagination to create new neural connections of good and evil; nice buzz with harmful side affects.

I was listening to an interview with an older scholar, from a think tank, discussing polls the think tank had run, over many decades, involving human sexuality. He said when they first started the polls, what is now call LBGTQ was limited to less than 0.5% of the population. Now this has increased to more than 10% and it has become very generational. The older adults have stayed the same in terms of their original answers, with the children now making up the difference.

This data contradicts both evolution and/or genetic theory, since such rapid change; couple of decades, only for the young people, has no biological explanation using existing science. Where did the genes come from if they do not show up in the adults? The conclusion is that this phenomena is more of youthful fad that makes use to the imagination. One cannot will a new sex, but it can be in artificial way.

If you assume Biological, the data suggest something very similar to an Adam and Eve event, suddenly appearing, with the youth of humanity becoming something new, almost overnight, in terms of the evolutionary time scale. The Adam and Eve scenario and parallel is denied by Atheism and Science, since evolution does not work that way. Why is science supporting what it denies is possible in similar examples. Is this due to casino science and an active imagination?

What makes the most sense is this is connected to the imagination of children being induced; childhood fads, like the pet rock or tattoos; body art. This difference is but now Big Brother Government is involved in the brain washing. It is not just for making money with fad. We now have a better way to define religion, so the closet religions doing harm can be held accountable; frontal lobe induction.

What is their end game and should they be allowed to experiment on children like lab rats, all the way to testing drugs and surgery techniques? It also explains why the Left works so hard to silence everyone, with guilt and intimidation, especially parents; domestic terrorists, since brain washing the imagination of their children will be harder to do, since the parents are not changing. What is the end game?

Maybe a Lefty in the know, can fill us in, since this has the earmarks of a frontal lobe brain wash induction and is not a genetic induction leading evolution. Unlike a fad, like body piecing or long hair, which are reversible, sex change is not only expensive but may not be reversible, when the fad ends and it becomes yesterdays fish; new fad appears.

Religions do the same thing; frontal lobe induction, but its seeks to create a natural balance with instinct; tree of life, which is why changes in major religions are very slow and closer to the slow pace of evolution; 1000's of years with the same beliefs.

 

[ratiocinator]

Can heaven and evolution coexist?

Don't see why not - totally separate questions. Of course there is plentiful evidence for evolution and none whatsoever for heaven but there appears to be no logical conflict between the two.