Evolution is a Big Lie

[camanintx]

Design requires a designer.

Is there anything in your world that you would not consider designed?

 

[Dirty Penguin]

I will put it this way, it is very easy to see why Einstein left the skeptical scientific dogma taught through the education system to seek real science.

What...?.....What is "real science"...This makes no sense.... You are either doing science (see. Scientific Method)....or you're not.

Look...Biological Evolution, as it is taught in public schools, is more than enough to serve as a sufficient introduction to understand the diversification of life on Earth. It is not as in depth nor is it structured to be too in depth as we find it in colleges...but it is designed in the curriculum the way it is to give students more of an introduction to Evolution. As they enter college they're exposed to more of it as well as being able to perform better experiments to test hypothesis.

 

[Walkntune]

Skeptical science constantly questions dogmatic beliefs. Your description of the science Albert Einstein supposedly 'left' to seek 'real' science makes absolutely no sense.

Yeah like the skeptics who said the world is flat and man can't fly in machinnes and every other discovery that ever gets to grace the mind of man.Skeptical science is the dogma that every new discovery has to get passed.

 

[JustWondering2]

yeah I stopped beleiving in fairy tales, Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny a long time ago. When I was a teenager the kid next doors family were fundi's. He thought the Flintstones were real people that lived with and used Dinosaurs to do their bidding. How sad and childish!

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Yeah like the skeptics who said the world is flat

Last time I checked, it wasn't the skeptics who said that.

and man can't fly in machinnes and every other discovery that ever gets to grace the mind of man.Skeptical science is the dogma that every new discovery has to get passed.

Do you not get what skepticism is? Skepticism is not accepting a claim as true until it has met it's burden of proof. By definition, science is skepticism put into practice - in that science always starts with the position of disbelief until a supposition or hypothesis has sufficient justification.

I mean, really, is skepticism such a bad thing to you? Really? The only alternatives to skepticism are outright denial and blind zealotry. Not believing something until it has sufficient merit is just the logical position for any intelligent human being to take.

 

[Father Heathen]

Want to know what else is also a big lie? Gravity. The godless liberal "scientists" have been indoctrinating our children with these lies to turn them away from god. Our schools need instead to teach something more truthful and wholesome; intelligent falling. Gravity is just a theory and tries to take our creator out of the equation. How long are we good Christians going to let these Newtonists and Gravitationist poison the minds of our innocent children?

 

[Revoltingest]

Want to know what else is also a big lie? Gravity. The godless liberal "scientists" have been indoctrinating our children with these lies to turn them away from god. Our schools need instead to teach something more truthful and wholesome; intelligent falling. Gravity is just a theory and tries to take our creator out of the equation. How long are we good Christians going to let these Newtonists and Gravitationist poison the minds of our innocent children?

Evangelical Scientists Refute Gravity With New 'Intelligent Falling' Theory | The Onion - America's Finest News Source

 

[Walkntune]

Last time I checked, it wasn't the skeptics who said that.


Do you not get what skepticism is? Skepticism is not accepting a claim as true until it has met it's burden of proof. By definition, science is skepticism put into practice - in that science always starts with the position of disbelief until a supposition or hypothesis has sufficient justification.

I mean, really, is skepticism such a bad thing to you? Really? The only alternatives to skepticism are outright denial and blind zealotry. Not believing something until it has sufficient merit is just the logical position for any intelligent human being to take.

Its good we had some who believed the earth was round I guess. We know it wasn't a skeptic on the boat don't we?

I mean, really, is skepticism such a bad thing to you? Really? The only alternatives to skepticism are outright denial and blind zealotry. Not believing something until it has sufficient merit is just the logical position for any intelligent human being to take.

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Someone eventually has to lead the cattle.

 

[Shermana]

Want to know what else is also a big lie? Gravity. The godless liberal "scientists" have been indoctrinating our children with these lies to turn them away from god. Our schools need instead to teach something more truthful and wholesome; intelligent falling. Gravity is just a theory and tries to take our creator out of the equation. How long are we good Christians going to let these Newtonists and Gravitationist poison the minds of our innocent children?

Indeed. It's basically much different: dark matter friction, which makes it even more amazing that Earth has such a perfect amount to allow life as we know it.

A Scientist Takes On Gravity - NYTimes.com

No Extra Gravity for Dark Matter - ScienceNOW

Gravity

Einstein's theory of gravity has never been disproved until now (2004). Soon after it's completion, the theory of quantum mechanics was developed, a description of the world in very small scales. However general relativity seems to be incompatible with quantum mechanics and breaks down (theoretically). In most of the cases gravity is so weak that in so small scales it is ignored. However in the interior of a black hole, the huge amount of mass is not negligible. Also, this is the case at the early stages of the universe: ultra-condensed matter, lots of mass suppressed into quantum distances. At these cases a quantum treatment of gravity will be needed, although there is no way right now to test how exactly general relativity must be modified.
The other 3 forces of nature have been modified and work well under the quantum regime, and only gravity escapes for the moment. The complete theory of gravity will include eventually somehow the quantum principles; this theory of quantum gravity is the greatest challenge of our understanding of the world today.

I wonder what the giants would think about that...

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Its good we had some who believed the earth was round I guess. We know it wasn't a skeptic on the boat don't we?

What boat? We knew the earth was round after studying the horizon and the earth's shadow cast on the surface of the moon.

Also, what has skepticism got to do with that? Again, do you even know what skepticism is?

 

[Father Heathen]

Its good we had some who believed the earth was round I guess. We know it wasn't a skeptic on the boat don't we?

People who surmised that the earth was round, and later that it wasn't the center of the universe, did so through observation, experimentation and study (i.e. science). Do you know who was always there to oppose them? The church.

Flat Earth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Geocentric model - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Bottom line: Something is either empirical and supported by the scientific method, or it's not. Only those who wallow in willful ignorance and intellectual dishonesty would try to muddy the water. Your biblical literalism is irrational and unsubstantiated. Get over it and move on.

 

[Shermana]

Quantized Redshifts are proving that the Earth may in fact be in the location where everything first originated and spread from. At the very least it shows some kind of "organizing" principle that may stem from this Galaxy.



http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0305112

http://www.cs.unc.edu/~plaisted/ce/redshift.html

The analysis of dwarf irregulars was revised and improved when an extensive 21-cm redshift survey of dwarf galaxies was published by J. Richard Fisher and R. Brent Tully. Once the velocity of the solar system was accounted for, the irregulars in the Fisher-Tully Catalogue displayed an extraordinary clumping of redshifts. Instead of spreading smoothly over a range of values, the redshifts appeared to fall into discrete bins separated by intervals of 24 km per second, just 1/3 of the original 72 km per second interval. The Fisher-Tully redshifts are accurate to about 5 km per second. At this small level of uncertainty the likelihood that such clumping would randomly occur is just a few parts in 100,000.
Large-scale redshift quantization needed to be confirmed by analyzing redshifts of an entirely different class of objects. Galaxies in the Fisher-Tully catalogue that showed large amounts of rotation and interval motion (the opposite extreme from the dwarf irregulars) were studied.
Remarkably, using the same solar-motion correction as before, the galaxies' redshifts again bunched around certain specific values. But this time the favored redshifts were separated by exactly 1/2 of the basic 72 km per second interval. This is clearly evident. Even allowing for this change to a 36 km per second interval, the chance of accidentally producing such a preference is less than 4 in 1000. It is therefore concluded that at least some classes of galaxy redshifts are quantized in steps that are simple fractions of 72 km per second.
Current cosmological models cannot explain this grouping of galaxy redshifts around discrete values across the breadth of the universe. As further data are amassed the discrepancies from the conventional picture will only worsen. If so, dramatic changes in our concepts of large-scale gravitation, the origin and "evolution" of galaxies, and the entire formulation of cosmology would be required.
Several ways can be conceived to explain this quantization. As noted earlier, a galaxys' redshift may not be a Doppler shift, it is the currently commonly accepted interpretation of the red shift, but there can be and are other interpretations. A galaxys' redshift may be a fundamental property of the galaxy. Each may have a specific state governed by laws, analogues to those in quantum mechanics that specify which energy states atoms may occupy. Since there is relatively little blurring on the quantization between galaxies, any real motions would have to be small in this model. Galaxies would not move away from one another; the universe would be static instead of expanding.
This model obviously has implications for our understanding of redshift patterns within and among galaxies. In particular it may solve the so-called "missing mass" problem. Conventional analysis of cluster dynamics suggest that there is not enough luminous matter to gravitationally bind moving galaxies to the system.

http://www.setterfield.org/000docs/Redshift.htm

If redshifts come from an expanding cosmos, the measurements should be distributed smoothly like the velocity of cars on a highway. The quantised redshifts are similar to every car traveling at some multiple of 5 miles per hour. Because the cosmos cannot be expanding in jumps, the conclusion to be drawn from the data is that the cosmos is not expanding, nor are galaxies racing away from each other. Indeed, at the Tucson Conference on Quantization in April of 1996, the comment was made that "[in] the inner parts of the Virgo cluster [of galaxies], deeper in the potential well, [galaxies] were moving fast enough to wash out the quantization." In other words, the genuine motion of galaxies destroys the quantisation effect, so the quantised redshift it is not due to motion, and hence not to an expanding universe. This implies that the cosmos is now static after initial expansion. Interestingly, there are about a dozen references in the Scriptures which talk about the heavens being created and then stretched out. Importantly, in every case except one, the tense of the verb indicated that the "stretching out" process was completed in the past. This is in line with the conclusion to be drawn from the quantised redshift. Furthermore, the variable lightspeed (Vc) model of the cosmos gives an explanation for these results, and can theoretically predict the size of the quantisations to within a fraction of a kilometer per second of that actually observed. This seems to indicate that a genuine effect is being dealt with here.

It's a Static Universe after all.

 

[tumbleweed41]

Yeah like the skeptics who said the world is flat and man can't fly in machinnes and every other discovery that ever gets to grace the mind of man.Skeptical science is the dogma that every new discovery has to get passed.

No. The dogmatists who insisted the world was flat despite observational evidence to the contrary. And the dogmatists who insisted that "if God had meant for man to fly, he would have given him wings."

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[tumbleweed41]

Quantized Redshifts are proving that the Earth may in fact be in the location where everything first originated and spread from. ...

No, it is not "proving" anything. Using Redshift Quantization as "proof" of Creationism (some even use it for Geocentrism) is taking poor data and weak hypothesis to the extreme.

 

[outhouse]

It's a Static Universe after all.

another epic fail.


if anything it is the opposite of static

 

[Photonic]

Quantized Redshifts are proving that the Earth may in fact be in the location where everything first originated and spread from. At the very least it shows some kind of "organizing" principle that may stem from this Galaxy.



[astro-ph/0305112] Further Evidence for Quantized Intrinsic Redshifts in Galaxies: Is the Great Attractor a Myth?

http://www.cs.unc.edu/~plaisted/ce/redshift.html

redshift


It's a Static Universe after all.

It doesn't say that. :/

 

[crystalonyx]

Evolution is a total lie, scientifically, mathematically and is nothing more than a religious doctrine forced upon science and biology students. If they do not yield and believe and write and witness this dogma of luck and chance, they can not graduate.

Besides afterward if they are not in the congregation of biological evolutionists they can not have a career in their chosen profession unless they keep silent and shut up.

Evoution is a lie, as all life goes to a lesser state of organization. Its entrophy and means just that, all things get old and less organized and lose energy and do not get magically more organized and more powerful.

Life only comes from life that has already been HERE.

Read Dawkin's "The Ancestor's Tale" and Gould's "The Structure of Evolutionary Theory", two monumental works about evolution. There's tons of evidence in support of evolution.

 

[Shermana]

another epic fail.


if anything it is the opposite of static

How do you get that from what I quoted?

Epic fail of explaining how its an epic fail. Why don't you try explaining how what I posted was wrong.

 

[Shermana]

No, it is not "proving" anything. Using Redshift Quantization as "proof" of Creationism (some even use it for Geocentrism) is taking poor data and weak hypothesis to the extreme.

Care to explain how its poor data and a weak hypothesis other than just saying it is?

 

[outhouse]

How do you get that from what I quoted?

Epic fail of explaining how its an epic fail. Why don't you try explaining how what I posted was wrong.

its not a static universe in any sense