Evolution is a fact?!

[Valjean]

Without getting into mysticism, it's a FACT if I see a cat coming to my door. The fact is: I saw the cat. Want to fight with that?

OK, but I don't take your point.

...and did you let the cat in, or at least feed it?

 

[YoursTrue]

What eye-witnesses do we have for your Great Flood? NONE!
What evidence do we have for your Great Flood? NOTHING!

Are you really sure you want to use the word "evidence" in any way, shape, or form?

What eye witnesses do you have for Julius Caesar? Shakespeare? Or, I might say, the raising of the mountains? Facts, please!! Plenty of things happened, geologically and historically that we don't even know about -- in or out of any written documents,

 

[YoursTrue]

Simple and conveniently sweeps the question under the rug; a favorite of simpletons everywhere.

Doesn't exactly "explain" anything, though, does it?

Yes, it does. Perhaps I'd like to call you a simpleton, maybe I won't though.

 

[YoursTrue]

OK, but I don't take your point.

...and did you let the cat in, or at least feed it?

You don't take the point? Why not?

 

[YoursTrue]

All facts need to be explained theoretically, and all facts are evidence for or against some theory. What is your explanation for the facts that are adduced as evidence for evolution?

Specifically, what other explanation than descent from a common ancestor can you offer for the detailed genetic similarities between humans, chimpanzees, bonobos and gorillas? What is your explanation, other than descent with modification over many generations, for the observed succession of fossils, what you call bits and pieces of bones? By the way, most fossils are marine invertebrates, which have shells rather than bones.

You can't get away with saying that there really is no evidence. There is evidence, and if you want to convince anyone that the scientific explanation for it is false, you will have to present a better explanation.

It's a FACT that Albert Einstein existed. No theoretical explanation needed for his existence. That's a fact.

 

[Valjean]

It assigns agency, but explains nothing. One's left in the dark about mechanism.

 

[Valjean]

You don't take the point? Why not?

I guess I'm a simpleton.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Specifically, what other explanation than descent from a common ancestor can you offer for the detailed genetic similarities between humans, chimpanzees, bonobos and gorillas? What is your explanation, other than descent with modification over many generations, for the observed succession of fossils, what you call bits and pieces of bones? By the way, most fossils are marine invertebrates, which have shells rather than bones.

Obviously discarded prototypes - which I think I put to her - but not nearly as good an explanation as evolution, and which most of us without any religious beliefs would connect with.

 

[Bear Wild]

Without getting into mysticism, it's a FACT if I see a cat coming to my door. The fact is: I saw the cat. Want to fight with that?

Yes and fossils are facts too in the sense they are exist. When we use the as pieces of information to explain a theory they are then considered evidence. To explain why the cat came to your door you would have to create a theory "your explanation" about why the cat was coming to your door. To do this you would need more "facts" or observation and draw from prior knowledge to test if your theory was correct. The additional facts would then be evidence to support your explanation "theory".

Good example of how and fact or observation can be used to give an explanation.

 

[SkepticThinker]

You don't take the point? Why not?

Because it has nothing to do with the question posed to you.

 

[McBell]

Simple and conveniently sweeps the question under the rug; a favorite of simpletons everywhere.

Doesn't exactly "explain" anything, though, does it?

I never said anything about it being a good explanation.
Merely that it is good enough for far more people than you might think.

Personally, I find it extremely lacking.
Of course, you mention that and people get all bent out of shape.

 

[YoursTrue]

Because it has nothing to do with the question posed to you.

So you figure. Anyway, have a nice day.

 

[YoursTrue]

Where is your evidence for the 'start' of God? Remember? There has to be evidence for the start.

There does? Obviously our thought processes and minds do not work alike. What's the end of infinity? lol...so I guess in your mind there must be a distinct start to infinity? Yeah - something starts that never has an end in some minds

 

[ecco]

I do believe that @YoursTrue may have me on ignore since she will not respond to any of my posts. I am sure that I offered to go over the concept of evidence with her. She never took me up on the offer.

She's a she?

As far as evidence is concerned it probably comes down to:

"If it's in the Bible it's irrefutable proof"​

 

[Subduction Zone]

She's a she?

As far as evidence is concerned it probably comes down to:

"If it's in the Bible it's irrefutable proof"​

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[ecco]

Simple and conveniently sweeps the question under the rug; a favorite of simpletons everywhere.

Doesn't exactly "explain" anything, though, does it?

GodDidIt explains everything...
Hurricanes - GodDidIt
Volcanoes - GodDidIt
The Universe - GodDidIt
Man - GodDidIt
The Great Flood that killed most everything - GodDidIt
God - GodDidIt

 

[ecco]

What eye-witnesses do we have for your Great Flood? NONE!
What evidence do we have for your Great Flood? NOTHING!

Are you really sure you want to use the word "evidence" in any way, shape, or form?

What eye witnesses do you have for Julius Caesar? Shakespeare? Or, I might say, the raising of the mountains? Facts, please!! Plenty of things happened, geologically and historically that we don't even know about -- in or out of any written documents,

Now you're down to ignoring some and, for others, answering the question with a question. That's a sure way of telling the world you got nuttin'.

 

[Bear Wild]

Without getting into mysticism, it's a FACT if I see a cat coming to my door. The fact is: I saw the cat. Want to fight with that?

You brought up the concept of facts which are pieces of evidence as an argument. Explain why fossils are not also facts (pieces of evidence)!!!

 

[Bear Wild]

It's a FACT that Albert Einstein existed. No theoretical explanation needed for his existence. That's a fact.

There is that fact word again and invoking a man who used "facts" to create theories. Oh my not a good example. Have you ever actually met Albert Einstein to know he in fact existed or are you using other pieces of information to make your conclusion He existed?

 

[YoursTrue]

Now you're down to ignoring some and, for others, answering the question with a question. That's a sure way of telling the world you got nuttin'.

I can't prove to you what is there and you don't want to believe. Otoh, there are no photos of evolution and no written documents portraying that it occurred in any responsible, literal way before, during or after evolution occurred. Genetic similarities have nothing to do with evolution.