Evolution, maybe someone can explain?

[cladking]

Few, very few, written records about that. Maybe they were burned up in the great library fire that happened centuries ago...but then again--the song comes to mind with slightly different lyrics -- "Still Wondering...after All These Years...Yes...Still Wondering After All These Years..."

I never quit wondering or being crazy.

All the records were written in Ancient Language that can not be translated. Many attempted to and in the very olden days people had a fairly good grasp but these were confused with every retelling because modern language is never understood as the author intends. By the time it gets down to us it is so confused it can mean anything at all. But I found from Ancient Language how it was done. It can never be confused only not understood at all. Since I do understand it I can make predictions about what will be found next and have been doing this for 20 years.

People just don't realize that no science has been systematically applied to any great pyramid since Petrie left over a century ago. Egyptologists are more than than satisfied with "they mustta used ramps" and "they mustta been tombs". The people mustta been superstitious and superstition mustta been a highly constructive force. Everything you think is science at Giza is in actuality nothing but assumptions based on 19th century beliefs about what mustta been.

 

[shunyadragon]

Great! Sounds like fun!

I have very few questions and a great number of answers. Egyptology only has "they mustta used ramps".

They di use ramps, They found the ramps and how they were used,

The Meidum pyramid that collapsed during construction revealed the remnants of ramps used at the time it was being built. IT also demonstrated the problems and errors of Egyptian engineering as they tried to build larger and larger pyramids.

https://www.encounterstravel.com/blog/meidum-pyramid

Pyramids of Egypt: The history of the Egyptian Meidum Pyramid​

The Meidum Pyramid is one of the oldest and most famous pyramids in Egypt. Located in the Faiyum region, it was built during the Fourth Dynasty of the Old Kingdom by Pharaoh Sneferu. It is believed to be the first pyramid ever built and is considered one of the Seven Wonders of the Ancient World.

The Meidum Pyramid is unique in its design, as it has a stepped structure that was later abandoned by other pyramid builders. It was originally constructed as a seven-stepped structure, but due to structural problems, it was later converted into a true pyramid with five steps. This makes it an interesting example of early Egyptian engineering and architecture.

The pyramid's construction began around 2630 BC, during Pharaoh Sneferu's reign. It is thought that he wanted to build a monument to his own greatness and legacy. The pyramid was originally planned as a seven-stepped structure with an inner core made up of limestone blocks and an outer casing made from Tura limestone blocks from nearby quarries.

However, due to structural problems with this design, Sneferu decided to convert it into a true pyramid with five steps instead. This conversion required more work than originally anticipated and took several years to complete. The final result was an impressive structure that stood at nearly 100 meters tall and had a base length of nearly 200 meters.

Despite its impressive size, the Meidum Pyramid has been largely forgotten throughout history due to its location in the middle of nowhere and its lack of inscriptions or artwork on its walls like other pyramids have. However, recent archaeological excavations have revealed some interesting facts about this ancient wonder.

For example, archaeologists have discovered evidence that suggests that Sneferu's son Khufu may have been involved in its construction or at least oversaw some aspects of it. Additionally, they have also found evidence that suggests that there may have been two separate entrances into the pyramid: one for commoners and another for royalty or priests only.

The Meidum Pyramid has long been shrouded in mystery but recent discoveries are beginning to shed light on this ancient wonder’s history and significance in Egypt’s past. Its unique design makes it stand out among other pyramids from ancient Egypt and provides insight into early engineering techniques used by Egyptians during this period in time. The Meidum Pyramid may not be as well known as some of Egypt’s other pyramids but its importance should not be overlooked or forgotten about anytime soon!

 

[shunyadragon]

Evidence of ramps used in the Meidum Pyramid.

Yes, there is direct evidence that ramps were used to build the Meidum Pyramid:

evidence of ramps used in the Meidum pyramid

• Construction ramp
  Flinders Petri found the remains of a straight ramp on the eastern side of the pyramid. The ramp aligns with two indentations in the pyramid's core.
  
  
  
• Causeways
  Causeways that stretch from the pyramid to the valley temple may have originally been used as ramps from the quay to the construction site.
  
  
  
• Smaller ramps
  The terraced nature of the pyramid core may have made it easier to use smaller ramps built along the sides of the pyramid. However, these ramps would have been lost when the outer casing was applied.

 

[shunyadragon]

I never quit wondering or being crazy.

All the records were written in Ancient Language that can not be translated. Many attempted to and in the very olden days people had a fairly good grasp but these were confused with every retelling because modern language is never understood as the author intends. By the time it gets down to us it is so confused it can mean anything at all. But I found from Ancient Language how it was done. It can never be confused only not understood at all. Since I do understand it I can make predictions about what will be found next and have been doing this for 20 years.

People just don't realize that no science has been systematically applied to any great pyramid since Petrie left over a century ago. Egyptologists are more than than satisfied with "they mustta used ramps" and "they mustta been tombs". The people mustta been superstitious and superstition mustta been a highly constructive force. Everything you think is science at Giza is in actuality nothing but assumptions based on 19th century beliefs about what mustta been.

Egyptian Hieroglyphs have been extensively translated and understood.

translation of the hieroglyphs in meidum pyramid - Google Search

The hieroglyphs in the Meidum Pyramid include the word nefer, which indicates ground level. In this context, height and depth are measured as "above nefer" and "below nefer", respectively.


The Rosetta Stone was a key to deciphering Egyptian hieroglyphs. The stone's inscriptions were written in three different scripts, and scholars could still read Ancient Greek. French scholar Jean-François Champollion used his knowledge of Demotic and Greek to decipher the hieroglyphs in 1822.

As I will cite from may sources the details of the engineering and construction of the pyramids is well known,

Your own personal translator is available online,

Hieroglyphics Translator - English to Egyptian Hieroglyphics Translator

Hieroglyphics Translators can translate English text into hieroglyphics. Ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs are the language used by ancient Egypt. Egyptian hieroglyphics translators converted the English to know how it was written in hieroglyphics.

hieroglyphicstranslator.net

Have fun.

 

[cladking]

The problem with the modern world is 19th century science. For its time it was remarkable but two centuries of experiment has put the lie to all of it yet we continue to believe in ids and survival of the fittest. We continue to believe in their every assumption and made no progress on definitions because there is no longer "Applied Science" and the philosophers who tell us what it all means are ignored because there is no rigor in philosophy. We look at ever tinier flecks of reality as the big picture gets ever farther away.

Our belief in lack of responsibility and greed has given us a world that operates on waste and inefficiency. Our belief in the power of superstition has given us bondage to those who can control our beliefs. We have a world fast spinning down the tubes with every force pushing to mayhem.

We believe the least fit were coerced to drag stones up ramps for their betters because every Egyptologist pictures himself as the king who doesn't even need to dirty his hands to whip the peons. We have built a civilization on lies and confusions from the 19th century. Every individual is equally fit and no one is empowered by believing things that aren't true. Only our species can believe anything at all and we even believe we have been around for 300,000 or 3 million years and we only recently aspired to be the crown of creation. We are blind to the complexity of reality and the greater complexity of life and consciousness. We are blind to the still greater complexity with which species change.

Otherwise we really do know everything. Ask anyone.

 

[Foxfyre]

There may be millions of records but they are invisible to our species because we can see only what we believe. These records are so detailed they even describe the sights, sounds, and odors of pyramid construction. They described the equipment that whisked the stones to the top of the pyramid as making a lowing sound like a bovine as the coefficient of static friction is being overcome. The amount of detail and the physical evidence to support it is ubiquitous in ancient writing including the Bible and on the ground within each great pyramid complex. Egyptology describes all the infrastructure as "holy this" and "holy that" but the builders had no religious beliefs, no magic, and no ignorance that wasn't clearly visible to them. We are ignorant of virtually everything and believe we have every answer; homo omniscience.

We think they were stinky footed bumpkins but it is we who are.

I still strongly believe that we Earthlings are likely in technological/scientific infancy compared to all the science/technology there is to know. Consider for instance that beings from other planets have been checking us out. Imagine the technology we have that we can only imagine. Imagine the science they know that we have no clue. And if there is indeed an intelligent Higher Power that created it all, imagine what that Higher Power knows compared to anything he/it created.

It's so mind boggling it is pretty impossible to wrap your mind around it.

Consider with all the thousands of years of human history and the science we have learned, we still have no clue how life actually came to be here on Planet Earth or what dynamic originated life. We have only hypothesis impossible to test.

 

[cladking]

Evidence of ramps used in the Meidum Pyramid.

Yes, there is direct evidence that ramps were used to build the Meidum Pyramid:

evidence of ramps used in the Meidum pyramid

• Construction ramp
  Flinders Petri found the remains of a straight ramp on the eastern side of the pyramid. The ramp aligns with two indentations in the pyramid's core.
  
  
  
• Causeways
  Causeways that stretch from the pyramid to the valley temple may have originally been used as ramps from the quay to the construction site.
  
  
  
• Smaller ramps
  The terraced nature of the pyramid core may have made it easier to use smaller ramps built along the sides of the pyramid. However, these ramps would have been lost when the outer casing was applied.

These are just words. They have no power, no meaning outside physical evidence that does support them.

This is how the actual pyramid builders thought the great pyramids were built;

1405a. To say: The earth is high under the sky by (means of) thine arms, Tefnut.

Who are you going to believe, Egyptologists who refuse to use science or the actual builders?

 

[shunyadragon]

The problem with the modern world is 19th century science. For its time it was remarkable but two centuries of experiment has put the lie to all of it yet we continue to believe in ids and survival of the fittest. We continue to believe in their every assumption and made no progress on definitions because there is no longer "Applied Science" and the philosophers who tell us what it all means are ignored because there is no rigor in philosophy. We look at ever tinier flecks of reality as the big picture gets ever farther away.

gibberish without academic sources.

Our belief in lack of responsibility and greed has given us a world that operates on waste and inefficiency. Our belief in the power of superstition has given us bondage to those who can control our beliefs. We have a world fast spinning down the tubes with every force pushing to mayhem.

We believe the least fit were coerced to drag stones up ramps for their betters because every Egyptologist pictures himself as the king who doesn't even need to dirty his hands to whip the peons. We have built a civilization on lies and confusions from the 19th century. Every individual is equally fit and no one is empowered by believing things that aren't true. Only our species can believe anything at all and we even believe we have been around for 300,000 or 3 million years and we only recently aspired to be the crown of creation. We are blind to the complexity of reality and the greater complexity of life and consciousness. We are blind to the still greater complexity with which species change.

Otherwise we really do know everything. Ask anyone.

The builders of the pyramids were not slaves nor coerced to build the pyramids and other great structures of Egypt. They were built by skilled workers living in extensive communities next to the building sites,

worker communities that built the pyramids in egypt - Google Search

According to current archaeological understanding, the workers who built the Egyptian pyramids were not slaves but likely comprised of organized communities of skilled laborers, often referred to as "the pyramid builders," who lived in settlements near the construction sites, with evidence showing they were paid and well-fed, rotating through work crews on the pyramids in groups of a few hundred men at a time; these communities are sometimes called "the Lost City of the Pyramid Builders.".


Key points about the pyramid worker communities:

• Organized structure:
  Workers were divided into groups called "phyles" with smaller teams of around 20 men each, each assigned specific tasks and overseen by supervisors.
  
  
  
• Settlement near the pyramids:
  Archaeological evidence shows settlements near the pyramid sites with housing, bakeries, and storage areas for food, indicating a dedicated community living close to the construction site.
  
  
  
• Not slaves:
  Modern research suggests that the workers were likely paid laborers, not slaves, as previously believed, with evidence including the relatively good quality of their diets and the presence of cemeteries near the construction sites.
  
  
  
• Giza Plateau example:
  The "Lost City of the Pyramid Builders" at the Giza Plateau is a well-known example of a worker community, where remains of housing, food storage, and even a cemetery have been discovered.

 

[shunyadragon]

These are just words. They have no power, no meaning outside physical evidence that does support them.

This is how the actual pyramid builders thought the great pyramids were built;

1405a. To say: The earth is high under the sky by (means of) thine arms, Tefnut.

Who are you going to believe, Egyptologists who refuse to use science or the actual builders?

As cited from numerous sources the Egyptologists use the objective verifiable evidence on how the Egyptians built the pyramids.

 

[cladking]

I still strongly believe that we Earthlings are likely in technological/scientific infancy compared to all the science/technology there is to know. Consider for instance that beings from other planets have been checking us out. Imagine the technology we have that we can only imagine. Imagine the science they know that we have no clue. And if there is indeed an intelligent Higher Power that created it all, imagine what that Higher Power knows compared to anything he/it created.

It's so mind boggling it is pretty impossible to wrap your mind around it.

Consider with all the thousands of years of human history and the science we have learned, we still have no clue how life actually came to be here on Planet Earth or what dynamic originated life. We have only hypothesis impossible to test.

It's not so much infancy as it is the ovum isn't fertilized quite yet. It won't be long now until a new science is invented (all previous sciences have been discovered) and we can begin the long journey to our birth and first steps. We will never be omniscient but we will become much more powerful.

Life is a miracle from every perspective but it is still possible that it didn't require God who might mostly be an observer. How poetic that even He be a scientist! All of His creatures except most humans are scientists and metaphysicians. If we really are made in God's image...

 

[cladking]

As cited from numerous sources the Egyptologists us the objective verifiable evidence on how the Egyptians built the pyramids.

So you choose to believe the words of pseudoscientists who refuse to systematically apply modern science to the study of pyramids over the actual builders of the pyramids!

You can't believe someone who used modern science and deduction to solve the meaning of ancient writing simultaneously with reverse engineering the great pyramids who makes accurate predictions but you believe Egyptologists because they mustta been right.

In 2007 I deduced there was a passageway on the north side of G1 that conveyed water from the source to the so called queens chamber. I knew there was no reason to fill this in so it would still be there. I knew the second Sphinx lies under the NE corner surrounded by walls. Since I understand modern physics I knew this huge structure would get hot in the summer and slowly release this heat in the autumn. I knew the passage would convey this heat to near the surface of the pyramid under the chevrons. I knew this heat would show up in October and campaigned for many years to get them to use century old infrared imaging o0n this and a few other spots on the pyramid I knew were hot in October and very cold in April.

Finally after many years of me yelling that it must be done, in early October of 2015 Egyptology allowed a company to do this work for free so long as they came bearing gifts and artefacts. It is strictly non-destructive and didn't require any interruptions in tourism or operations. But it didn't happen until 2015. Then they found the hot spots I predicted in almost exactly the locations I predicted and all of them but one was buried. The data to prove me right exists but Zahi Hawass says it "might confuse the public" and won't allow its publication so even no Egyptologists can see it!!! They did explore the one under the north entrance and found the passage I predicted. The next thing they'll find in 20 or 30 years when they have the courage to look will be quartz sand of partially rounded grains between 1 and 100 microns with calcium carbonate, vaterite, copper hydroxide, copper sulfate, and something that looks like silicon as contamination totaling about 1% of its mass on the floor of this passage the builders called the "Nurse Canal" .

On and on it goes. Their "theories" create mysteries and answer no questions at all. My theory makes good predictions.

 

[Foxfyre]

It's not so much infancy as it is the ovum isn't fertilized quite yet. It won't be long now until a new science is invented (all previous sciences have been discovered) and we can begin the long journey to our birth and first steps. We will never be omniscient but we will become much more powerful.

Life is a miracle from every perspective but it is still possible that it didn't require God who might mostly be an observer. How poetic that even He be a scientist! All of His creatures except most humans are scientists and metaphysicians. If we really are made in God's image...

I long ago chose not to try to define God or what He must or must be, think, do, have done. I know He is and have experienced his presence and what I believe are His miracles. I believe in all probability that all that exists was by His hand. But a belief in God is not necessary to understand that we don't know a whole lot of what there is to know.

 

[shunyadragon]

So you choose to believe the words of pseudoscientists who refuse to systematically apply modern science to the study of pyramids over the actual builders of the pyramids!\

I cite scientific sources based on the objective verifiable evidence as to who and how the pyramids were built. The evidence is actually factual physical engineering concerning how the pyramids were built and not science as such All you have presented incomprehensible gibberish

You have not responded to the academic sources I have provided. It is understandable that you reject academic science for a contorted personal ancient mythology.

The Egyptians are the actual builders of the pyramids,

 

[cladking]

You have not responded to the academic sources I have provided.

I specifically stated before you posted it that the "ramps at Hatnub" were the stupidest hypothesis that has been developed since ouija boards were used to communicate with the autistic. Do you really want me to respond to such nonsense in a thread about Evolution. The only thing I can say is Homo omnisciencis is so confused by language that they can't differentiate between good hypotheses and bad. Surely you remember I've said a million times that THIS IS the reason we need experiment. No theory exists without experiment so gradual change in species caused by survival of the fittest is not even a theory. It is an hypothesis that has repeatedly been shown false by observation.

The Egyptians are the actual builders of the pyramids,

They were there but they said the gods built them.

 

[leroy]

Out of interest, name the tetrapod species that predates tiktaalik that you are talking about.
Secondly, nobody said that all tetrapods evolved from tiktaalik. Nobody even said tiktaalik would have been the only one such species nor if there would be even older, or younger, species exhibiting the same kind of features.

Tiktaalik represents a transitional between fish and tetrapods.
That's what they were looking for: a transitional fossil aged between 400 million and 360 million years old.
Tiktaalik is 380-375 million years old. Found in the predicted strata with the predicted features.

This is the simple point: they KNEW about only fish +400 million years ago. They KNEW about tetrapods -360 million years ago.
So logically, there would be transitionals between both within that 40 million year interval.

It's not rocket science.



Right, right.... the paleontologists that predicted the anatomical features of this species as well as the strata it would be found in and then subsequently found it, are showing a "lack of understanding of how evolution works" by accurately predicting fossil finds.

Uhu.

Nobody even said tiktaalik would have been the only one such species nor if there would be even older, or younger, species

Yes that is and has always been my point..... See your sick pathology of disagreeing just for the sake of disagreeing is amazing


If tiktaalik could have been found in younger or older layers then there is nothing special about finding it in the late denovian ..... You could have agreed with this simple and uncontroversial point weeks ago.......but for some reason you keep finding ways to disagree

 

[leroy]

Uh-oh.... you used the word "clade" in the same sentence as "fish".

Get ready for a ginormous @leroy rant.

Well @shunyadragon is wrong ....fish is not a clade ..... But I know that for you it is more important to disagree with me that to be correct

 

[leroy]

Dude...

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See above.

You where asked to quote my words and the article and show that the article contradicts my words........why can't you do that ? Ohh yeah because you are just making things up

 

[Pogo]

I specifically stated before you posted it that the "ramps at Hatnub" were the stupidest hypothesis that has been developed since ouija boards were used to communicate with the autistic. Do you really want me to respond to such nonsense in a thread about Evolution. The only thing I can say is Homo omnisciencis is so confused by language that they can't differentiate between good hypotheses and bad. Surely you remember I've said a million times that THIS IS the reason we need experiment. No theory exists without experiment so gradual change in species caused by survival of the fittest is not even a theory. It is an hypothesis that has repeatedly been shown false by observation.



They were there but they said the gods built them.

Yes you have stated that ramps are stupid, but as with most everything, you have not provided anyone with any reason to agree with you beyond your internal confidence in yourself. Sorry, but that is not how one communicates in any language.

 

[leroy]

You can't be serious....

You don't understand the context of the conversation.


All I am saying is that fish is a generic term without an objective definition (fish is not a clade).......fish is whatever we subjectively decided to call fish


As you can see there is nothing controversial in my claims

 

[Pogo]

Yes that is and has always been my point..... See your sick pathology of disagreeing just for the sake of disagreeing is amazing


If tiktaalik could have been found in younger or older layers then there is nothing special about finding it in the late denovian ..... You could have agreed with this simple and uncontroversial point weeks ago.......but for some reason you keep finding ways to disagree

It is not an uncontroversial point, species exist in their own niches and in a pattern in evolution.
To find one out of place would be negative evidence of the theory, to find one where expected for the first time is positive evidence.

All that can be seen here is that you do not understand the entire concept from science to evolution.