Evolution My ToE

[YoursTrue]

He is flat out making a false claim in order to deceive.
At the very least his willful ignorance is a blatant attempt to deceive himself.
And then to claim there has not been any evidence presented when what has in fact been presented far supersedes the standards for evidence they themselves hold to in order to protect their beliefs is a blatant bold face lie.

There is a difference between not accepting the evidence presented and claiming no evidence was presented.
That difference being the second one is a flat out lie.

Again, whether you believe in God or not is not the issue here. What is the issue is that no evidence of evolution from the first cell supposedly to the last piece of supposed evidence has been provided, except for dreams and conjectures.

 

[McBell]

Again, whether you believe in God or not is not the issue here. What is the issue is that no evidence of evolution from the first cell supposedly to the last piece of supposed evidence has been provided, except for dreams and conjectures.

I agree.
The issue here is that you ask for evidence then when evidence is presented you move the goal posts whilst claiming no evidence was presented.

Like I said, it is one thing to not accept the evidence that is presented.
It is another ball of wax lying that no evidence was presented.

 

[dad]

You do realize that was not meant to be taken literally, don't you? It is a history of the religious beliefs of Egypt, Not a history of spirits. dad defeats himself again

No. The spirit beings of history are offered as reality. Your claim that history is all a joke except for what you declare as valid is laughable.

Correct, and it is evidence that rates of decay are the same elsewhere, meaning that no physical constants have changed.

The time involved here is here. The time involved in any decay seen or deduced from light spectra is experienced/observed here. Only here. Never there. Your desire to equate time in the far universe with here is unsupported.

None of those say anything about the Bible being without error.

They show it id from God and His word. If you seriously want to call God in error, well, add that to your long and growing blaspheme list.
Jesus was God's word and He promised that He would pipe down His words to believers. Your baseless doubting has no currency.

 

[dad]

Again, whether you believe in God or not is not the issue here. What is the issue is that no evidence of evolution from the first cell supposedly to the last piece of supposed evidence has been provided, except for dreams and conjectures.

Nor is there any evidence man came from animals. None at all.

 

[dad]

Only two sorts of people can make the sort of claim that you just did. One either has to lie or have no understanding at all of the nature of evidence to make that claim.

One way to test that is for you to post evidence.

 

[dad]

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For your pants

That was your best shot?

 

[dad]

And I want to make something clear. I do not think that either of our two latest posters are lying. They simply do not understand what is and what is not evidence. @dad by this time seems to realize that he would have to lie if he understood what is and what is not evidence so he uses the ostrich defense when it comes to learning this. @YoursTrue appears to have never had any exposure to the topic.

No one needs to hide from the evidence you post which is precisely none..ever.

 

[McBell]

That was your best shot?

No.
Not by any stretch of the imagination.
However, I had to keep my reply within the realm of your ability to understand.

And to be completely honest, I have doubts that I lowered it far enough.

 

[dad]

Has the evidence been posted yet?

Ha. Never will be. What has been shown is that people who have rejected truth and reason and God will go to any lengths to try to shove their religious agenda on others. and insist that we call it science.

 

[dad]

No.
Not by any stretch of the imagination.
However, I had to keep my reply within the realm of your ability to understand.

And to be completely honest, I have doubts that I lowered it far enough.

I see. So do you think you share relatives with bananas and flatworms?

 

[YoursTrue]

I agree.
The issue here is that you ask for evidence then when evidence is presented you move the goal posts whilst claiming no evidence was presented.

Like I said, it is one thing to not accept the evidence that is presented.
It is another ball of wax lying that no evidence was presented.

In that sense, you are correct. I do not accept the evidence to verify the theory of evolution. The evidence presented is not verifiable except by figuring a time sequence from fossils, and thinking that because some living forms are similar to others means they evolved from a previous form. So that evidence is no longer evidence for me. Again, it is a belief system because, as has been said, nothing has been proven, since I have been told science proves nothing.
Looking at the human body (I have a book on the lungs with beautiful pictures about the human body) and seeing the vast complexity of the heart, the blood vessels, the breathing mechanisms, I no longer believe it was evolution that caused these things. I know some don't like the word 'mindless' evolution, but I believe we've already discussed that evolution does not think. Therefore...it's mindless. I understand the idea that it works on itself, meaning that chemical and other physical reactions make things evolve. But as yet, no real proof.
Again, going back to the fabulous setup for the lungs and the heart in the human body, with the automatic beating of the heart, I no longer see it as a result of (mindless) evolution. Anyway, I won't go into right now what I believe about a Creator, but if evolution isn't the way humans came about, then, of course, one might rightly ask, what is?

 

[Subduction Zone]

One way to test that is for you to post evidence.

i need to make a dad rule. Hopefully no more such rules are needed. Until dad understands the concept of evidence dad cannot demand evidence.

The offer is always out there to discuss the nature of evidence. Once you learn what is and what is not evidence then you can demand it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No one needs to hide from the evidence you post which is precisely none..ever.

dad, you run and hide all of the time. Let me remind you of dad rule number one.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No. The spirit beings of history are offered as reality. Your claim that history is all a joke except for what you declare as valid is laughable.

Then find a source that supports your claims. Not sources that you do not understand. And no, I did not claim that history is a joke. How do you constantly misunderstand what posters mean?

The time involved here is here. The time involved in any decay seen or deduced from light spectra is experienced/observed here. Only here. Never there. Your desire to equate time in the far universe with here is unsupported.

Nice word salad. It still does not explain the posted evidence. You need a mathematical explanation of why we observe the same rates here and in the light that comes from distant sources. Until you do so you have lost.

They show it id from God and His word. If you seriously want to call God in error, well, add that to your long and growing blaspheme list.

No, they only show your inability to understand your book of myths. Remember, the blasphemy comes from you when you claim that your God is a liar.

Jesus was God's word and He promised that He would pipe down His words to believers. Your baseless doubting has no currency.

And now you are making poor semantic arguments. You are also claiming that your God is evil. More blasphemy on your part.

 

[Astrophile]

There is no evidence for TOE. Post some if you disagree.

Genetic similarities and differences. Comparative anatomy The succession of fossils. Biogeography - e.g. the presence of marsupials and the absence of indigenous placental mammals in Australia; the presence of lemurs exclusively in Madagascar; the presence of australopithecines exclusively in Africa combined with our anatomical and genetic similarities to the African apes. Embryology. Observed examples of speciation. Observed examples of differential reproductive success between genetic variants.

 

[Astrophile]

There really isn't any evidence except that which is imagined as evidence to fit in a theory.

See my post 3135.

 

[nPeace]

Try using the right timing.



The records are said to have existed at the temple, which got destroyed. Jesus gave us the record though, by including it in the NT.

"
Classic Commentary

The census or enrollment, which, according to Luke 2:1, was the occasion of the journey of Joseph and Mary to Bethlehem where Jesus was born, is connected with a decree of Augustus embracing the Greek-Roman world. This decree must have been carried out in Palestine by Herod and probably in accordance with the Jewish method--each going to his own city--rather than the Roman.

While Josephus does not mention the Herodian census, Luke carefully distinguishes the census at the time of Jesus' birth as "first," (i.e. first in a series of enrollments connected either with Quirinius or with the imperial policy inaugurated by the decree of Augustus).

The geographical work of [Herod] Agrippa, together with the interest of the emperor in the organization and finances of the empire and the attention which he gave to the provinces are indirectly corroborative of Luke's statement. Augustus himself conducted a census in Italy in and in Gaul in 727/27* [see roman dating system, ‘auc'] and had a census taken in other provinces. For Egypt there is evidence of a regular periodic census every 14 years extending back to 773/20 and it is not improbable that this procedure was introduced by Augustus.

The time of the decree is stated only in general terms by Luke, and it may have been as early as 727/27 or later in 746-8, its execution in different provinces and subject kingdoms being carried out at different times. Luke dates the census in the kingdom of Herod specifically by connecting it with the administrative functions of Quirinius in Syria. But as P. Quintilius Varus was the legate of Syria just before and after the death of Herod from 748/6-750/4 and his predecessor was C. Sentius Saturninus from 745/9-748/6 there seems to be no place for Quirinius during the closing years of Herod's reign.

Tertullian indeed speaks of Saturninus as legate at the time of Jesus' birth. It is possible that the connection of the census with Quirinius may be due to his having brought to completion what was begun by one of his predecessors; or Quirinius may have been commissioned especially by the emperor to conduct a census in Syria."
Did a Census Really Bring Joseph and Mary to Bethlehem? - Topical Studies
As I pointed out, you chose to view and intepret things in a way that is insulting to God and Scripture.

I'm sure you are not going to get any response to this. Facts are ignored. They don't mind responding to statements... even if they are facts, but data... No way.

 

[nPeace]

Again, whether you believe in God or not is not the issue here. What is the issue is that no evidence of evolution from the first cell supposedly to the last piece of supposed evidence has been provided, except for dreams and conjectures.

I was thinking of a situation where someone said to a person they were conversing with, "Give me a leaf."
A child in earshot heard, and excitedly exclaimed, "I'll get you one."
Runs into the house, returns and drops this "leaf" in the person's hand.
If the person says to the child, "This is not a leaf." The child will sincerely claim, "But it is a leaf. You asked for a leaf, and I gave you a leaf."
Ceramic

They sincerely believe it is evidence. That is why they believe.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Learn the difference between comics and actual ancient history.

I knew I could get you to see the point. Now if we could only get you to take your own advice.

 

[SkepticThinker]

You concentrate on people today if you want to document that they actually exist. You sure can't go back in time and do it. Nor have you any evidence to suggest that the people who were there and did document lives are wrong.

Again, things aren't magically true until they're proven wrong.
You must show that they are true in the first place. How do you still not understand the burden of proof at this point?

If you struggle with knowing, not sure we can help you here.
Scripture and ancient history are nothing like that. You simply wish to wave it all away fro no sane reason.

Oops, you avoided the point again.