Evolution My ToE

[Subduction Zone]

It was thousands of years ago. Your dating wishes are overruled until you get more than belief to back them up.

No, what I know is supported by massive evidence. You only have mere belief in a book of myths written by ignorant goat herders. And remember Rule Number One. I have backed up my claims. You only the evidence. That means that since you could not refute it and you would not discuss it properly you lost the ability to demand evidence. But if you learn what is and what is not evidence, and I will gladly help you, then you can ask for evidence. And it will be given.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Please, don’t tell me I didn’t understand.

This “rapid diversification” mentioned in the article, is just special pleading, trying to make the evidence fit into a box that the facts don’t reveal.

No, it is not. And you really should not use logical fallacies that you do not understand.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Amen to that! I definitely married "up" as she very much changed my life for the better, and we'll have been married 53 years this March.

My wife loves it but I don't. But then there are very few sweets I like. Flan and occasional pumpkin pie is about as far as I go.

I like dry red wine, Lemoncello, and an occasional beer (preferably Guinness), but that's about it when it comes to alcohol.

Yep, and also Asti Cinzano, which we like even better. Ever have either?

Anyhow, I'm outta here shortly, so have a great rest of the weekend.

53 years! That’s wonderful! Congratulations!

I’ve had the Spumanti, I like it. I’ll look for the Cinzano. Thanks for the tip.

Have a great weekend, too!

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Since it all comes from the same region of France, I've found that there's not a great deal of difference in taste. But since I only drink wine at dinner, I generally look for sales.

BTW, a good imported Chianti also pleases my taste buds as it also is a dry red. Most domestic chianti tends to be too sweet or watered down for me.

About the only sweet wine we drink is Asti from Italy. My wife and I have this Christmas Eve tradition of putting on our favorite Christmas c.d., which we only play on that night, sitting by the fireplace, drinking Asti, and just taking it all in with only a little talking. Very romantic, but not in a sexual way per se.

How about you?

I'm all about a smooth and soft Merlot.

Chianti can be quite tasty too idd

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Please, don’t tell me I didn’t understand.

Why not? You clearly don't.

This “rapid diversification” mentioned in the article, is just special pleading,

No, it isn't.

trying to make the evidence fit into a box that the facts don’t reveal.

Nope.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I'm all about a smooth and soft Merlot.

Chianti can be quite tasty too idd

Try Malbec. Argentina and Chile produce some very tasty wines using this grape. Though I do love me a good Merlot as well.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Try Malbec. Argentina and Chile produce some very tasty wines using this grape. Though I do love me a good Merlot as well.

Yeah, I've had some Chile wine before and loved it.

In fact, aside from Merlot, I noticed that whenever I really love a wine, it turns out not to be french, but rather italian or idd from south america.

Some sommeliers might get a heart attack now, but for me personally, I think french wine is overrated! /runs-and-hides

I'm no expert by any means though. I wouldn't blindly recognise any wine even if my life depended on it.
I just noticed that every time I got served a Merlot, I loved it

But tnx for the tip, I'll keep my eye out on a Malbec next time I'm shopping for sure.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yeah, I've had some Chile wine before and loved it.

In fact, aside from Merlot, I noticed that whenever I really love a wine, it turns out not to be french, but rather italian or idd from south america.

Some sommeliers might get a heart attack now, but for me personally, I think french wine is overrated! /runs-and-hides

I'm no expert by any means though. I wouldn't blindly recognise any wine even if my life depended on it.
I just noticed that every time I got served a Merlot, I loved it

But tnx for the tip, I'll keep my eye out on a Malbec next time I'm shopping for sure.

Sometimes labels get my attention. A good label and a good product means that one will be more likely to remember it. I kept seeing one beer that sold a "square root of 36 pack". Sorry, don't have the symbol handy. Below that the line "because math". It earned a few chuckles from me and pique my curiosity. I finally bought some and loved it. Irish Death:

On the right side you can see what caught my attention. It is really good beer.

As to Malbecs I like this particular brand:

Like you I was introduced to them in restaurants and do not remember the brands that I had there. About $12.00 a bottle.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

You seem to know quite a lot about them. Use a "spoon'?! My goodness, don't know if I would like that!

You like wine? I've found a great brand, pretty cheap, too... "Liberty Creek". Best sweet red I ever drank!

It is hyperbolic. Beers with robust flavors and mouth appeal. I mean the dark, creamy beers with coffee, malty and chocolate tones.

I enjoy wine on occasion. Missouri wines tend to be sweet, but some are very good. I like the local Riesling wines and the Nortons, which are dry blends including native grapes. Yellowtail shiraz is one I have discovered over the last few years.I

We have several wineries here that produce a concord red that is sweet, but pretty good.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

I simply said it would "inhibit", not completely stop.

So-long for now.

Evolution is can be changed by sexual selection, but it does not refute evolution. It is another selection of a recognized type.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

I'm just curious....what, in your opinion, would be the ultimate failure of the theory of Common Descent? Not all of evolutionary theory, but just of UCA? Is there really anything you would accept?

Regarding the theory that more genetic similarities always denotes closer relationship: Did you ever hear of an argument against that understanding, in the form of the genetic similarities between scallops and tarantulas, two vastly different organisms?

I really have no opinion, or even know if it's accurate... if scallops do share genes that are found in tarantulas. It was just in passing. I haven't researched it. Have you heard or read anything on it?

Genetic similarities between more divergent groups are found in the highly conserved regions of the genome. Developmental genes where mutations would largely be lethal or so detrimental that fitness would be highly reduced to eliminated. Differences in those types of genes would need answers to explain the differences. But there is, instead, much similarity as is ecpected.

The thing to remember is that Genesis does not hold up to the evidence and even if new evidence challenging evolution were found, Genesis is not going to move up as a default replacement to the current theory. It has all ready been eliminated as possibility as scientific explanation.

The base or roots of a tree of life are obscured by the exchange of DNA among ancestral life. Even if this hides multiple origins, that multiplicity would be so basal and differences eliminated by gene flow, that common ancestry would still hold from that point forward. Instead of a single ancestor, it would be a pool, but everything forward would be related by branching.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Evidently, you did not read my post, but skipped through it.
If you needed to rush off, you could have responded when you returned.
How would you feel if you took the time to respond to someone, and they did not bother listening to, or considering half of what you said?
That's not very inviting, is it?
Wouldn't you feel like you wasted your time, and wouldn't feel inclined to do it again?

Repeating... The translation I used is the KJV (King James Version).
KJV: O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

There is also the WBT (Webster Bible Translation)
WBT: O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called;

The transaction of JWs, in the NWT. It uses the word knowledge.
(1 Timothy 6:20) Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to you, turning away from the empty speeches that violate what is holy and from the contradictions of the falsely called “knowledge.”

However, if it used the word "science", it would not be incorrect.
Greek
γνώσεως

Strong's Concordance
Transliteration: gnósis:
Definition: a knowing, knowledge
Usage: knowledge, doctrine, wisdom.

Science (from the Latin word scientia, meaning "knowledge")

science (n.)
mid-14c., "what is known, knowledge (of something) acquired by study; information;" also "assurance of knowledge, certitude, certainty," from Old French science "knowledge, learning, application; corpus of human knowledge" (12c.), from Latin scientia "knowledge, a knowing; expertness," from sciens (genitive scientis) "intelligent, skilled," present participle of scire "to know," probably originally "to separate one thing from another, to distinguish," related to scindere "to cut, divide," from PIE root *skei- "to cut, split" (source also of Greek skhizein "to split, rend, cleave," Gothic skaidan, Old English sceadan "to divide, separate").


This is not the thread to get into that, but I know the poster was not lying, and you admitted that you left a previous religion, because you found out, you were being lied to.
So might the poster be really lovingly be pointing out to you, that you are being lied to again. Did you take note - one mud table to another?

Can I quote what you said here, in another thread, so we can discuss it?


Perhaps you didn't want to address the other questions.
Can I ask you a few questions on this, in another thread?


Studying theology is not the same as studying the Bible. It's studying doctrines, which is no different to being taught what to believe.
Jesus did not go to any school, to learn the scriptures, nor did his followers. Yet the were well versed, not in the religious doctrines, Jesus called "commands of men as doctrines".

And you know that you are not being lied to, because...?

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Sometimes labels get my attention. A good label and a good product means that one will be more likely to remember it. I kept seeing one beer that sold a "square root of 36 pack". Sorry, don't have the symbol handy. Below that the line "because math". It earned a few chuckles from me and pique my curiosity. I finally bought some and loved it. Irish Death:

On the right side you can see what caught my attention. It is really good beer.

As to Malbecs I like this particular brand:

Like you I was introduced to them in restaurants and do not remember the brands that I had there. About $12.00 a bottle.

I like the variety of names and imagery employed these days. With so much competition, producers have to be bold or unusual to catch attention.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

No...they have found no obvious precursors! That would be the deciding evidence. But they are missing.

The fact, is that those creatures in the Cambrian exist.....that's what I was referring to.

But not finding them is a gap and not evidence against evolution. Even without a defined ancestry leading to the Cambrian, all the evidence supports evolution from that point.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

As far as testable predictions, how does that go? Please explain how to test a prediction in evolution. Thank you. Are you saying that because a dinosaur fossil was found that showed evidence of feathers that means birds evolved from dinosaurs? But please explain how scientists test predictions in evolution. Thanks again.

How is it that you need so many questions answered, while claiming to know the material well enough to make decisions about it?

 

[Dan From Smithville]

What it says is that peer reviews are not up to quality in many cases. I guess you didn't read the article. But there are others -- since you evidently put so much faith in "peer reviews." Now let's see -- here's an interesting and fascinating article about "peer reviews."
Based on research of "peer reviewed articles." Quite interesting. Two researchers at Cornell and the University of North Dakota decided to run an experiment to test the process of peer review. It's an eye-opener.
Let's stop pretending peer review works.

The process needs improvement, but it still functions and the need for improvement does not falsify theory. Religion has no correction mechanism. At all. Anyone can claim anything with no correction or accountsbility.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Please, don’t tell me I didn’t understand.

This “rapid diversification” mentioned in the article, is just special pleading, trying to make the evidence fit into a box that the facts don’t reveal.

How is that a double standard?

 

[dad]

I have backed up my claims. .

Link? Ha

 

[Subduction Zone]

Link? Ha

Rule number one dad. Once you learn what is and what is not evidence you can make this sort of demand. And once again I will gladly help you with this simple topic.

 

[Subduction Zone]

But not finding them is a gap and not evidence against evolution. Even without a defined ancestry leading to the Cambrian, all the evidence supports evolution from that point.

If the theory of evolution predicted no gaps that would be evidence against the theory of evolution. But even Darwin recognized and predicted gaps. He also predicted that as exploration went on many of those g aps would be filled and he recognized that as a possible test of his theory. Each new fossil find could be a huge problem for the theory, if it was wrong. Yet for some strange reason that creationists have not figured out yet all of these millions of fossils support the theory of evolution.