Evoluton????

[gtrsgrls]

OK. I accept your postulate. Everything must start somewhere. Where did God start?

I don't know where God started.But you said yourself that everything must start somewhere.If something didn't create everything,we're obviously living in a dream world.But wait...who created this dream world?I've asked myself many times "where did God come from?"But I rest on the fact that something can't come from nothing.

 

[gtrsgrls]

Creationism is gay!The only reason people believe it is because it's people's only other outlet for asserting there's a God.People either have to believe in creation or no God who created everything and some people just want to believe in God.

Are you saying that it's easier to belive in evolution than it is to belive in a God.If you walked into a room and saw a chair sitting in the middle of it,would you believe that it just appeared there or would you believe someone put it there?If you believe the latter than why do you go on believeing something so unbelievable about the origon of our world?

 

[JerryL]

I don't know where the universe started. But you said yourself that everything must start somewhere. If something didn't create God, God is obviously a dream. But wait...who created this dream? I've asked myself many times "where did the universe come from?". But I rest on the fact that God can't come from nothing.

 

[JerryL]

Are you saying that it's easier to belive in evolution than it is to belive in a God.

I'm saying that the assertion you put forth in post 13 is entierly useless. I can say the exact same thing reversed and be equally valid.

If you walked into a room and saw a chair sitting in the middle of it,would you believe that it just appeared there or would you believe someone put it there?

Depends on the other conditions. I would assume the chair was manufactured, because I've seen lots of chairs that I know were manufactured and none that I know were not. (induction)

If you believe the latter than why do you go on believeing something so unbelievable about the origon of our world?

I don't believe something unbelievable about our world.

What unbelievable thing do you think I believe, and why do you consider it unbelieveable?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Heres my new thoery. This one satifies the fossil records of why there are no human skeletons for millions of years, and the creationist veiw of man being created exactly the way he was. The world was formed, and things evolved. Then one day, millions of years latter, God created man, and man crawled out of a cave, and those first ones are who we call the Neanderthal.

 

[gtrsgrls]

What unbelievable thing do you think I believe, and why do you consider it unbelieveable?

I gather that you believe we evolved from nothing because you haven't told my what we evolved from in the first place.They say at first we evolved from a little tiny atom.If you believe that our HUGE world all evolved from a stupid atom ,you have mental issues!!!!!!!:banghead3 :banghead3 :banghead3 Pardon my bluntness.

 

[JerryL]

I gather that you believe we evolved from nothing because you haven't told my what we evolved from in the first place.

We evolved from early life.

They say at first we evolved from a little tiny atom.

"They" are wrong. Atoms don't evolve.

If you believe that our HUGE world all evolved from a stupid atom ,you have mental issues!!!!!!!:banghead3 :banghead3 :banghead3 Pardon my bluntness.

You certainly have cognitive issues and you are hacking at a straw-man.

 

[michel]

I don't know where the universe started. But you said yourself that everything must start somewhere. If something didn't create God, God is obviously a dream. But wait...who created this dream? I've asked myself many times "where did the universe come from?". But I rest on the fact that God can't come from nothing.

But I rest on the fact that God can't come from nothing.

I can understand your saying that, and there is no proof, just Faith that God has always been and will be forever ( as a Christian).

But there again, neither of us will ever convince the other........

 

[JerryL]

I can understand your saying that, and there is no proof, just Faith that God has always been and will be forever ( as a Christian).

But there again, neither of us will ever convince the other........

That's kind-of my point. Notice that it's a word-for-word copy of what the previous poster said that then has "universe" and "God" reversed. The POINT is that this rhetoric is not useful.

 

[Fatmop]

I gather that you believe we evolved from nothing because you haven't told my what we evolved from in the first place.They say at first we evolved from a little tiny atom.If you believe that our HUGE world all evolved from a stupid atom ,you have mental issues!!!!!!!:banghead3 :banghead3 :banghead3 Pardon my bluntness.

Bluntness can be pardoned.. ignorance probably should not... and willful ignorance should be shamed. Have you ever actually bothered learning a thing about evolutionary biology?

 

[AtheistAJ]

Religious people believe their god created humans, I think backwards. What you are saying is something like, before anything there was this perfectly formed human looking all powerful entity who was male and he had a human name, and he was designed to live on earth with a nose to breathe, eyes to see (even though there was nothing), hands and legs to do nothing with, had a full grown well groomed beard and a nice haircut, he existed forever or imagined himself and then the universe the end.
I will let you consider what to make of that. And atoms don't evolve like JerryL said. They form molecules from which cells evolve and multiply. Let's put it that way, as I don't have hours to waste here explaining just how it happens, when you will just say it is "gay" anyway.

 

[painted wolf]

er... your assuming that all religions have a male human deity, and so on and so forth.

There are a lot more religions than the big three monothiests, and there are a lot more creation stories than Genisis.

wa:do

 

[AtheistAJ]

er... your assuming that all religions have a male human deity, and so on and so forth.

There are a lot more religions than the big three monothiests, and there are a lot more creation stories than Genisis.

wa:do

I'm presenting the argument to a Catholic. And I know there are different creation mythologies, it's just those other than the "big three" don't present much of a threat currently.

 

[painted wolf]

define "threat"
If you are intent on attacking one specific Docterine then you should should stop using such generalities as "Religious people belive____".:tsk:

You have no Idea for instance, what I believe, and it would seem little intrest in learning it.

Ps... the Catholic church offically reccognizes Evolution as the logical means in which god accomplished the creation of life. As do most Christian faiths.... The issue is some literalists, (who can be found in any faith) not any particular brand of Christianity.

wa:do

 

[AtheistAJ]

define "threat"

Dominating, taking over, opposing truth...
Anyway, Christians don't own evolution. Most Christians I know think it's "ridiculous" and Bible contradicts it. In case you didn't notice, Christian church changes their curriculum according to contemporary demographics in order not to lose popularity amongst the majority, it always has. It used to execute scientists, be prejudiced against blacks, women and gays - they don't do any of those things these days (except letting priests rape children every day and trying to legislate it so as to not have to keep covering it up), but probably would if we give them as much power. I am making these assumptions based on historically confirmed events.
And stop plugging in your religion, as I don't know about it and am not talking about it.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

In case you didn't notice, Christian church changes their curriculum according to contemporary demographics in order not to lose popularity amongst the majority, it always has.

Some did, some didn't. Generalizations such as yours are a crutch supporting a rather juvenile and superficial world view. One can only hope that at some point you stop discrediting yourself. You'll be better for it.

 

[AtheistAJ]

Some did, some didn't. Generalizations such as yours are a crutch supporting a rather juvenile and superficial world view. One can only hope that at some point you stop discrediting yourself. You'll be better for it.

"Discrediting yourself" - are you sure you're not an individualist? I was only talking about Christianity.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I was only talking about Christianity.

Your blanket characterization of Christianity is as bigoted as it is reprehensible. My guess is that you are very young, and that I have been an atheist much longer than you've been alive. Nevertheless, I have far more in common with most of he theists here than I have with you and your pathetic and irrational generalizations. Quite frankly: honest efforts to promote ontological naturalism would only be improved by your absence.

 

[Fatmop]

I am making these assumptions based on historically confirmed events.

Religious killings often pale in comparison with more recent, less religiously-inspired genocides. Just because most of the Christians you know are ignorant doesn't mean they all are - it doesn't even mean the majority are. Try going to college sometime.

 

[AtheistAJ]

Your blanket characterization of Christianity is as bigoted as it is reprehensible. My guess is that you are very young, and that I have been an atheist much longer than you've been alive. Nevertheless, I have far more in common with most of he theists here than I have with you and your pathetic and irrational generalizations. Quite frankly: honest efforts to promote ontological naturalism would only be improved by your absence.

I am generalizing the religion rather than individuals. The basic foundation of Christianity and most other monotheist religions is far more generalizing and disrespectful than my comments. Now, I don't know what some local church is like near your house, but just because you have theist friends (and most are probably nice people and I do to but won't get into that), doesn't make up for the fact that their beliefs are derogatory, discriminative and just plain wrong. And in a democratic society it pretty much only matters what the majority thinks, so if you're supporting some cults just because you personally know members who are nice people, doesn't mean their cult should be supported. Probably most are nice because they don't take the rules of their religion seriously enough. Rules of ancient religions were designed to be extreme in order to dominate the market. "God" used to be a diplomatic commodity, now it doesn't even have a meaning.

And what the hell happened to the point of this thread? I am not losing the evolution argument just because you're fishing for karma or making friends.

Also, I don't care how long you claim you've been an atheist, you're not even aware you're an individualist. You're the one who went astray from the subject, I don't see any theists arguing with other theists that there are atheists who don't believe in evolution and start bringing up their age. I think it's obvious you're just bored out of your mind so you have nothing better to do than claiming you're older than me in an evolution topic.