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Example: Jews. Christians. Muslims worship the same God of Abraham

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Hmm. Which goes back to my original statement. If there is one god, and this god cannnot be defined (his nature included), and each different faith claim this one god of Abraham, no matter their descriptions that doesn't change the nature of this undefined God. It also doesn't change there is only one. And, as all three believers say, no one can know god one hundred percent.

So, well... unless one knows god directly (knows his nature), how can one say they are seeing a different god than their Abrahamic partner if they didn't go by their sacred text?
I don't say that. Perhaps others do say that.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Yes. God cannot be defined -- only described. Howerver, each description is only a partial desription.

Wouldnt you say (and my over all point) people's description of god (human vs spirit etc) doesnt define god's nature?

If god is unknownable, how would people get a partial factual description? Maybe based on Their understanding but all three use discriptions for one being; one truth.
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Wouldnt you say (and my over all point) people's description of god (human vs spirit etc) doesnt define god's nature?

If god is unknownable, how would people get a partial factual description? Maybe based on Their understanding but all three use discriptions for one being; one truth.
Descriptions aren't factual. They're metaphorical. God isn't fully knowable -- and no knowledge of God is factual. I think God can be partly known and described. And truth is partial truth --and only from one's POV.

You seem to be asking for absolute and objective evidence, and, of course, there is none.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
"Correct" in terms of what standard?

How can you describe a unknown god?

Regardless of each religions descriptions, they all focus on thing.

One Creator

Is that creator different based on differ descriptions of the three religions?

Or.

Can each religion prove their religion defines the nature of an unknown god-given they say they dont believe (describing) in the same one?
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
How can you describe a unknown god?

Regardless of each religions descriptions, they all focus on thing.

One Creator

Is that creator different based on differ descriptions of the three religions?

Or.

Can each religion prove their religion defines the nature of an unknown god-given they say they dont believe (describing) in the same one?
God isn't completely unknown.
The descriptions are different.
There is no proof or definition.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
God isn't completely unknown.
The descriptions are different.
There is no proof or definition.

What are the parts that are known?
Are these parts different 'based' on descriptions?
Or are they based on the actual nature of god not descriptions?

Whats the basis of each defining a different god?

Their descriptions?
Their claim to know his nature in part? (If so, how?)
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
What are the parts that are known?
Are these parts different 'based' on descriptions?
Or are they based on the actual nature of god not descriptions?

Whats the basis of each defining a different god?

Their descriptions?
Their claim to know his nature in part? (If so, how?)
It isn't about "parts." God isn't in "parts." God is One.
Descriptions are based on experience.
Those experiences are based on the interaction of our nature that is God's nature, with the world around us.
Different perspectives foster different descriptions.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
It isn't about "parts." God isn't in "parts." God is One.
Descriptions are based on experience.
Those experiences are based on the interaction of our nature that is God's nature, with the world around us.
Different perspectives foster different descriptions.

Going back to the original question, I agree but I am seeing these experiences no matter how different coming from one god not three. These experiences (excluding the jesus/god christianity) look entirely the same from One Creator, One God of Abraham.

Unless one tells me the details of their faith, which of course is different, the actual experiences of that one god/creator mirror each believer. They are not aliens to each other.

That key is that one creator. Details "about" him aside.
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Going back to the original question, I agree but I am seeing these experiences no matter how different coming from one god not three. These experiences (excluding the jesus/god christianity) look entirely the same from One Creator, One God of Abraham.

Unless one tells me the details of their faith, which of course is different, the actual experiences of that one god/creator mirror each believer. They are not aliens to each other.

That key is that one creator. Details "about" him aside.
Well, you're correct, of course. Since all three come from the same source mythos, we really are talking about me three faces of a polyhedral God.
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Yes. Thats all I meant in the OP. Since religion is personal in nature, for some its hard to see that connection.
More importantly, religion is communal in nature, and it's the result of having communal values imbedded in the spiritual self-stories, as well as the exclusive nature of communities, as they relate to each other, that makes it difficult to see beyond the particular cultural hermeneutic and to supplant the greater truth with the particular cultural metaphors that speak to that truth.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
More importantly, religion is communal in nature, and it's the result of having communal values imbedded in the spiritual self-stories, as well as the exclusive nature of communities, as they relate to each other, that makes it difficult to see beyond the particular cultural hermeneutic and to supplant the greater truth with the particular cultural metaphors that speak to that truth.

Personal, not as in individualist belief, but personal as in its your own belief within the community "of like minds." Outside of that communion, in some religions, it is not shared. Its private/personal faith whereas other religions like evangelical ones are highly public.

Another question.

The nature of god is described differently in all three faiths. Basically, each religion's god is different because each god made decisions that conflict with each other.

Taking out god's decisons and him being human, what about god's nature makes different a Muslim's god vs a Jew's god? If not for their text, what makes person's god different?
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
To all

The nature of god is described differently in all three faiths. Basically, each religion's god is different because each god made decisions that conflict with each other.

Taking out god's decisons and him being human, what about god's nature makes different a Muslim's god vs a Jew's god? If not for their text, what makes each person's god different?
 

Akivah

Well-Known Member
.......remember , the basic tenants to the theology of Christianity is that Jesus The Christ is God as expressed in the gospel of John......the Jews and Muslims do not worship or embrace the reality of this God .

I totally agree that the Christian god is different from the G-d recognized by Judaism.
 
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