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Exciting Torah geometry patterns
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IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
You said geometry. Did you mean gemetria?
Both, here's my latest and there's one long one right above it in the link:
"Now for a short one all by me. If you uncapitalize, there are 22 letters in the Hebrew alphabet. Genesis 1:1 contains 11, half that much.
This works with or without the first beit as it is duplicate.
If you count them as even or odd, you get eeooee eeo oeoeo oe oooeo eoe ooee or half even and half odd. I do not believe this pattern continues to future verses in any way I can find.
This works without the first letter if it is 13 to 14 even to odd.
Furthermore, let’s add the positions of even and odd and see if they are equal. For instance, if it were odd, even, odd, odd, even, odd would add to 14 and even would add to 7.
We get 190 even and 216 odd.
If we switch the m to capital we get 225 even and 181 odd.
If we switch the tz to capital we get 162 even to 244 odd.
If we do both we get 197 to 209.
That doesn’t work.
Let’s try it with the first letter absent, adding numbers from 1 to 27 as either even or odd.
We get 176 even to 202 odd.
If we switch the m to capital we get 199 even to 179 odd. Notice that 199 and 202 are very close."
If we switch the tz to capital we get 149 to 229.
If we do both we get 172 to 206.
Notice that 202 could be the average of 199 and 206.
Notice there are a lot of numbers ending in 9.
Notice also that with the 199 it is even and the m and tz add to even, whereas with the 202 and 206, they are odd and the m and tz add to odd. Not doing the tz could signify the end of the verse.
Notice also that if you switch the way you do m and tz, they add to 40 and 42.
"Now for a short one all by me. If you uncapitalize, there are 22 letters in the Hebrew alphabet. Genesis 1:1 contains 11, half that much.
This works with or without the first beit as it is duplicate.
If you count them as even or odd, you get eeooee eeo oeoeo oe oooeo eoe ooee or half even and half odd. I do not believe this pattern continues to future verses in any way I can find.
This works without the first letter if it is 13 to 14 even to odd.
Furthermore, let’s add the positions of even and odd and see if they are equal. For instance, if it were odd, even, odd, odd, even, odd would add to 14 and even would add to 7.
We get 190 even and 216 odd.
If we switch the m to capital we get 225 even and 181 odd.
If we switch the tz to capital we get 162 even to 244 odd.
If we do both we get 197 to 209.
That doesn’t work.
Let’s try it with the first letter absent, adding numbers from 1 to 27 as either even or odd.
We get 176 even to 202 odd.
If we switch the m to capital we get 199 even to 179 odd. Notice that 199 and 202 are very close."
If we switch the tz to capital we get 149 to 229.
If we do both we get 172 to 206.
Notice that 202 could be the average of 199 and 206.
Notice there are a lot of numbers ending in 9.
Notice also that with the 199 it is even and the m and tz add to even, whereas with the 202 and 206, they are odd and the m and tz add to odd. Not doing the tz could signify the end of the verse.
Notice also that if you switch the way you do m and tz, they add to 40 and 42.
dybmh
ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
Well, the whole derivation makes no sense to me, but I specifically balked at the implication that there are capitals in Hebrew.
dybmh
ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
Can you make this a PDF and repost? I can't read docx on my tablet.
You are far too easily excited.
File mail marked it as malicious when I tried to do it as a pdf.Can you make this a PDF and repost? I can't read docx on my tablet.
But anyway, I meant final forms sorry my Hebrew knowledge is limited I have checked these patterns many times.
dybmh
ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
OK, thanks for trying
Ah. Now I understand a little bit better. But I still don't get the derivation, sorry.
That's ok. If the mods give me permission I can link to it.
Joseph Smith said the Torah started with the reish. I have found patterns that go either way or both.
dybmh
ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
So the first line is: "Beginning God created the Heavens and the Earth", not "In the beginning..." Sorry not too convincing.
The head one of the Gods brought forth the Gods.”
dybmh
ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
what is the difference between "brought forth the Gods" and "brought forth the Angels"?
I don't know but I sure wish you could see the whole thing.
There's one pattern that only works with 2 words in Hebrew, brasit and seraphim.
Maybe I could post one pattern per day.
Well guys, here's the other new one. Hope you like it. By capitals I mean final or not.
It goes from the second letter of the Torah straight to the last creative act of day 2. I have no comment on the chances.
Finally, a pattern with the first 7 verses that I made, the first day of creation and making the firmament.
בראשית ברא אלהים את השמים ואת הארץ
והארץ היתה תהו ובהו וחשך על פני תהום ורוח אלהים מרחפת על פני המים
ויאמר אלהים יהי אור ויהי אור
וירא אלהים את האור כי טוב ויבדל אלהים בין האור ובין החשך
ויקרא אלהים לאור יום ולחשׁך קרא לילה ויהי ערב ויהי בקר יום אחד
ויאמר אלהים יהי רקיע בתוך המים ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
ויעש אלהים את הרקיע ויבדל בין המים אשר מתחת לרקיע ובין המים אשר מעל לרקיע ויהי כן
Suppose we take the first word of Genesis as Joseph Smith said it should have
been, R-A-S-I-T.
Notice that it dips, comes back, dips half as much and comes back. We can subtract the values of corresponding letters to get 19,20,11,12. Then we subtract those from each other the same way: 1,9,1.
Next is 8,8 and then 0. We want to get low numbers, so we try to get 0,1 and 2.
Note, however that B-R-A-S-I-T gives 8, way too high. (18,19,20,11,12->1,1,9,1->0,8,8->8,0->8)
Then B-R-A is 2,20,1 or 18,19 or 1.
When we have letters that can or cannot be capitalized, we pick each one.
“God” is “2” with m=13.
“The Sky” is “2” with m=13.
“And the Earth” is 2 with Tz=27.
The first verse without the B is 0 with m=13 and Tz=27 (the same). We want each phrase to be 0 and subphrases to be 0,1 or 2.
“And the earth” is 2 with Tz=27 but “was without form and void” is a fail.
“And the earth was without form and void” is 0 with tz=18.
“And darkness was upon the face of the deep” is 0 with k=14 and M=24.
“And the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters” is 0 with M=24.
“And the spirit of God” is 2 with m=24.
“And the earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep, and the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters” is 0 with tz=18, k=14 and M=24, the same values.
Vs. 3: “And God said let there be light, and there was light” works out to be 0 with m=13 or M=24.
“And God spoke” is 2 with 24 and 1 with 13. “Let there be light” is 1 and “And there was light” is 0.
Vs. 4:
“And God saw the light that it was good” is 0 with m=24.
“And God divided between the light and the Darkness” is a nail-biter! With M=24 and N=25 it is 0. With m=13 and N=25 it is also 0. “between the light and the darkness” is 2 with the same.
“And God saw the light that it was good and God divided between the light and the Darkness” is also 0 with M=24 and N=25.
Vs. 5:
“And God called the light day, and the darkness he called night.”
m=13 is 0. K is 11 or 23.
“And it became evening and morning” is 0.
“one day” with m=13 is 0.
The whole verse works with m=13 and k=11.
Vs. 6:
“And God spake let there be a firmament” is 0. “And God spake let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters” is 0.
“and let it divide between waters and waters” is 0.
The whole verse is 0.
Vs. 7
And God made the firmament” is 0 with m=1. “And He divided between the waters that were under the firmament and the waters that were above the firmament” is 1 no matter what.
It goes from the second letter of the Torah straight to the last creative act of day 2. I have no comment on the chances.
Finally, a pattern with the first 7 verses that I made, the first day of creation and making the firmament.
בראשית ברא אלהים את השמים ואת הארץ
והארץ היתה תהו ובהו וחשך על פני תהום ורוח אלהים מרחפת על פני המים
ויאמר אלהים יהי אור ויהי אור
וירא אלהים את האור כי טוב ויבדל אלהים בין האור ובין החשך
ויקרא אלהים לאור יום ולחשׁך קרא לילה ויהי ערב ויהי בקר יום אחד
ויאמר אלהים יהי רקיע בתוך המים ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
ויעש אלהים את הרקיע ויבדל בין המים אשר מתחת לרקיע ובין המים אשר מעל לרקיע ויהי כן
Suppose we take the first word of Genesis as Joseph Smith said it should have
been, R-A-S-I-T.
Notice that it dips, comes back, dips half as much and comes back. We can subtract the values of corresponding letters to get 19,20,11,12. Then we subtract those from each other the same way: 1,9,1.
Next is 8,8 and then 0. We want to get low numbers, so we try to get 0,1 and 2.
Note, however that B-R-A-S-I-T gives 8, way too high. (18,19,20,11,12->1,1,9,1->0,8,8->8,0->8)
Then B-R-A is 2,20,1 or 18,19 or 1.
When we have letters that can or cannot be capitalized, we pick each one.
“God” is “2” with m=13.
“The Sky” is “2” with m=13.
“And the Earth” is 2 with Tz=27.
The first verse without the B is 0 with m=13 and Tz=27 (the same). We want each phrase to be 0 and subphrases to be 0,1 or 2.
“And the earth” is 2 with Tz=27 but “was without form and void” is a fail.
“And the earth was without form and void” is 0 with tz=18.
“And darkness was upon the face of the deep” is 0 with k=14 and M=24.
“And the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters” is 0 with M=24.
“And the spirit of God” is 2 with m=24.
“And the earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep, and the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters” is 0 with tz=18, k=14 and M=24, the same values.
Vs. 3: “And God said let there be light, and there was light” works out to be 0 with m=13 or M=24.
“And God spoke” is 2 with 24 and 1 with 13. “Let there be light” is 1 and “And there was light” is 0.
Vs. 4:
“And God saw the light that it was good” is 0 with m=24.
“And God divided between the light and the Darkness” is a nail-biter! With M=24 and N=25 it is 0. With m=13 and N=25 it is also 0. “between the light and the darkness” is 2 with the same.
“And God saw the light that it was good and God divided between the light and the Darkness” is also 0 with M=24 and N=25.
Vs. 5:
“And God called the light day, and the darkness he called night.”
m=13 is 0. K is 11 or 23.
“And it became evening and morning” is 0.
“one day” with m=13 is 0.
The whole verse works with m=13 and k=11.
Vs. 6:
“And God spake let there be a firmament” is 0. “And God spake let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters” is 0.
“and let it divide between waters and waters” is 0.
The whole verse is 0.
Vs. 7
And God made the firmament” is 0 with m=1. “And He divided between the waters that were under the firmament and the waters that were above the firmament” is 1 no matter what.
2 more:
This one is so simple I’m surprised I’ve never seen it elsewhere; it’s mine. The first letters of the first words in the first verse of the standard Torah are very small. The first are B-B-A-A and the highest is the 6th letter. Add them up: 2+2+1+1+5+6+5 = 22. 22 letters in the standard alphabet and 22/7 is pi to 4 digits.
What if we do the last letters of the first words in the first verse this way? There are 3 Ts, 2 ms, and one a and one tz but we won’t make it final because of that 22. 22+1+13+22+13+22+18 = 111! 111 is the gematria for aleph (A-L-Ph is 1+30+80). Aleph is the first letter in the Hebrew alphabet. 111 is also 3*37, where 37 is the first star of David number. We have the number of letters in the alphabet and the gematria for the first letter.
And the other one; I love this one:
10-1 through 2-2022 Another one with the first word that I made mostly myself. It is the most revealing about the beit vs the reish that I have found.
Later on in this page, I subtracted letters from each other, and then subtracted the results from each other.
For this one, we write the alphabet along side letters and subtract accordingly. There are 28 letters in verse 1, and 27 letters in the Hebrew aleph-beit (alphabet).
Taking the first three letters, beit-reish-aleph, we subtract the aleph-beit (alphabet), aleph-beit-gimmel respectively. We come up with aleph-tzaddik-beit (2-1=1,20-2=18, and 3-1=2). Note that it would be impossible to have a final tzaddik. Also note how well this fits with Stan Tenen’s center of the aleph-beit:
Meru Foundation Research: Front-Back / Base-3 Symmetry Groups: 1
Meru Foundation Research: Front-Back / Base-3 Symmetry Groups: 1
Apart from this relationship, everything else in this pattern is mine. (I found that they subtract to these three on my own also).
The aleph even comes first. However the dalet doesn’t work very well with the shin. We don’t know what to make of it. I came up with something great to do with the dalet. Spell dalet dalet-lamed-tav and its spelling adds to 38.
Suppose we start from the second letter and made reish-aleph-shin-yud-tav.
If we go around the pentagon starting at reish, the fourth letter, corresponding to dalet, is yud. Dalet minus yud is 38-10 or 28, corresponding to the 28 letters.
If we make a pentagram instead, we go r-s-t-a-i and the a corresponds to the dalet. 38-1 is 37, the first star of David number and the third hexagon number with a dot in the middle. We will see 37 a lot in another pattern down this page.
Therefore b and r go back and forth, going to r to fit the dalet and the dalet indicating 28.
Suppose we start at the “A”. A+I is C, and C-R-S-T is a pentagram that seems to spell “Christ” Also the middle 3 letters backward are I-Sh-A which is the start of the spelling of Yeshua, or Jesus. Note that Jesus is actually spelled I-Sh-V-Ayin.
That was all I was able to find for this pattern. Everything is mine except the aleph being made from the tzaddik and the beit.
This one is so simple I’m surprised I’ve never seen it elsewhere; it’s mine. The first letters of the first words in the first verse of the standard Torah are very small. The first are B-B-A-A and the highest is the 6th letter. Add them up: 2+2+1+1+5+6+5 = 22. 22 letters in the standard alphabet and 22/7 is pi to 4 digits.
What if we do the last letters of the first words in the first verse this way? There are 3 Ts, 2 ms, and one a and one tz but we won’t make it final because of that 22. 22+1+13+22+13+22+18 = 111! 111 is the gematria for aleph (A-L-Ph is 1+30+80). Aleph is the first letter in the Hebrew alphabet. 111 is also 3*37, where 37 is the first star of David number. We have the number of letters in the alphabet and the gematria for the first letter.
And the other one; I love this one:
10-1 through 2-2022 Another one with the first word that I made mostly myself. It is the most revealing about the beit vs the reish that I have found.
Later on in this page, I subtracted letters from each other, and then subtracted the results from each other.
For this one, we write the alphabet along side letters and subtract accordingly. There are 28 letters in verse 1, and 27 letters in the Hebrew aleph-beit (alphabet).
Taking the first three letters, beit-reish-aleph, we subtract the aleph-beit (alphabet), aleph-beit-gimmel respectively. We come up with aleph-tzaddik-beit (2-1=1,20-2=18, and 3-1=2). Note that it would be impossible to have a final tzaddik. Also note how well this fits with Stan Tenen’s center of the aleph-beit:
Meru Foundation Research: Front-Back / Base-3 Symmetry Groups: 1
Meru Foundation Research: Front-Back / Base-3 Symmetry Groups: 1
Apart from this relationship, everything else in this pattern is mine. (I found that they subtract to these three on my own also).
The aleph even comes first. However the dalet doesn’t work very well with the shin. We don’t know what to make of it. I came up with something great to do with the dalet. Spell dalet dalet-lamed-tav and its spelling adds to 38.
Suppose we start from the second letter and made reish-aleph-shin-yud-tav.
If we go around the pentagon starting at reish, the fourth letter, corresponding to dalet, is yud. Dalet minus yud is 38-10 or 28, corresponding to the 28 letters.
If we make a pentagram instead, we go r-s-t-a-i and the a corresponds to the dalet. 38-1 is 37, the first star of David number and the third hexagon number with a dot in the middle. We will see 37 a lot in another pattern down this page.
Therefore b and r go back and forth, going to r to fit the dalet and the dalet indicating 28.
Suppose we start at the “A”. A+I is C, and C-R-S-T is a pentagram that seems to spell “Christ” Also the middle 3 letters backward are I-Sh-A which is the start of the spelling of Yeshua, or Jesus. Note that Jesus is actually spelled I-Sh-V-Ayin.
That was all I was able to find for this pattern. Everything is mine except the aleph being made from the tzaddik and the beit.
I have noticed common themes in my patterns that suggests take-aways about the Torah.