Exemplar

[Vinayaka]

Well, he may be such for you. For others like me, he was continuing the business started by his father, which he later handed over to his grandson. Family enterprise.

I prefer the Hindu sampradaya away where the leadership is passed to the most qualified, and not a relative. Of course, with most Hindu leadership within sampradayas, it's all sanyassins anyway, so a guy can hardly pass power to his son.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Then, why did Bahaollah wanted all humanity to gather under banner of his religion? Sorry, the slip shows. He just wanted to increase his clientele. Yeah, in business, you have to have brochures printed. Writing to rulers! Does it make any sense? How many rulers were impressed by the letters sent by Bahaollah or Abdul Baha? Or they were just thrown in waste-paper baskets?

Baha'u'llah offered a Message from God that gave a choice for humanity to accept, there has never been any compulsion, it is always a choice.

Most did not choose that offer, as such what was then offered was that we must embrace a unity in our diversity.

Abdul'baha showed us how we can achieve that unity. Working together in service to each other. Every Faith has offered this as a goal in one way or another, so we can acheive this goal.

That is what the video is about, how we can work together, using the example of service to humanity.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I prefer the Hindu sampradaya away where the leadership is passed to the most qualified, and not a relative. Of course, with most Hindu leadership within sampradayas, it's all sanyassins anyway, so a guy can hardly pass power to his son.

The Son, Abdul'baha was the most qualified, hands down, that is why he became the Exemplar.

Of course one must read and have knowledge of that life to be able to make just comment on that life.

This OP is about the knowledge of that example and how it can help us all.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Most of them, I suspect.

Most likely. That has not worked our so well, the offer of peace may have been a better way to go.

Regards Tony

 

[Aupmanyav]

Baha'u'llah .. what was then offered was that we must embrace a unity in our diversity.
Abdul'baha .. showed us how we can achieve that unity.

Neither Bahaollah nor Abdul Baha invented unity in diversity. In India, Jews have lived together with Hindus for upward of 2000 years (some say from King Solomon's time), Christians since First Century, Muslims since Seventh Century, Zoroastrians from Eighth Century. Shias, Bahais, Ahmadiyyas live in India in peace and without any discrimination. That has happened in other countries also. So, I fail to understand what you seem to be bragging about?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Neither Bahaollah nor Abdul Baha invented unity in diversity. In India, Jews have lived together with Hindus for upward of 2000 years (some say from King Solomon's time), Christians since First Century, Muslims since Seventh Century, Zoroastrians from Eighth Century. Shias, Bahais, Ahmadiyyas live in India in peace and without any discrimination. That has happened in other countries also. So, I fail to understand what you seem to be bragging about?

Great, well done India, then unity and peace with all humanity, will be easily embraced in India.

The video is about an example as to how we one and all can join in that peaceful intent.

Regards Tony

 

[Aupmanyav]

What I mean is that this Allah of yours did not send any new message, and consequently, the manifestation also did not have anything new to say.

BTW, why first Jews, Christians and Muslims in India settled in Kerala? Surely, they were coming here for trade in spices. Spices brought them to India just as gold and diamonds took Europeans to Africa and South America.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

What I mean is that this Allah of yours did not send any new message, and consequently, the manifestation also did not have anything new to say.

BTW, why first Jews, Christians and Muslims in India is interesting. The first settlements were in Kerala. Surely, they were coming here for trade in spices. Spices brought them to India.

There is no reason we can not be one people on one planet, working for the good of all.

Regards Tony

 

[Aupmanyav]

There are many reasons why people cannot be one, and one of the major reasons is religion. People should not hark so much about their own beliefs and religion.

 

[Sirona]

Due to globalization, almost all religions are represented all over the world nowadays. Baha'ullah and Abdul Baha have been overtaken by history. If someone needs them, it's their personal business, not necessarily desired or needed by "mankind", or by fellow individuals to begin with.

 

[Vinayaka]

The Son, Abdul'baha was the most qualified, hands down, that is why he became the Exemplar.

Of course one must read and have knowledge of that life to be able to make just comment on that life.

This OP is about the knowledge of that example and how it can help us all.

Regards Tony

Won't help me one iota. Help you, sure, if you think it does.

What I mean is that this Allah of yours did not send any new message, and consequently, the manifestation also did not have anything new to say.

BTW, why first Jews, Christians and Muslims in India settled in Kerala? Surely, they were coming here for trade in spices. Spices brought them to India just as gold and diamonds took Europeans to Africa and South America.

India has been a haven for refugees historically. Just ask the Dalai Lama.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Even now the Rohingyas, Myanmaries, Afghans are coming into India. Before them there was an influx of Iranian (Sikhs), Iraqis, and Syrians. Prior to that Tamils from Sri Lanka.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

There are many reasons why people cannot be one, and one of the major reasons is religion. People should not hark so much about their own beliefs and religion.

This OP is about a life that shows us how we can work together as one united people on one planet.

A unity in diversity, as the body of humanity, where all the different parts of the body work together to maintain the whole.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Due to globalization, almost all religions are represented all over the world nowadays. Baha'ullah and Abdul Baha have been overtaken by history. If someone needs them, it's their personal business, not necessarily desired or needed by "mankind", or by fellow individuals to begin with.

This OP is about a life that can make a lasting change.

Your comment shows how we can embrace each other, as all those faiths represented across the world all teach love and unity as the core value.

This is what Abdul'baha proved with his life and travels. He was invited to talk at all places of worship and offered no on has to change their faith, we all need to pracice those faiths taught in Love and service to others.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Won't help me one iota. Help you, sure, if you think it does.

That is OK, thanks for participation.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Even now the Rohingyas, Myanmaries, Afghans are coming into India. Before them there was an influx of Iranian (Sikhs), Iraqis, and Syrians. Prior to that Tamils from Sri Lanka.

Then all that is now needed is to work together against corruption, ensure education for all children of all races, free of predudices, and rectify the appalling pollution issues.

Become a beacon for all the world to be guided by.

That was the purpose of the life of Abdul'baha a beacon of hope by practical means.

Regards Tony

 

[Aupmanyav]

This OP is about a life that shows us how we can work together as one united people on one planet.

Was he the first to show that? Was he the only one to show that? Jews were happy under Cyrus the Great, and I think, some considered him to be a Messiah. Your trumpets are making a very loud noise, more than 90 decibel.

א כֹּה-אָמַר יְהוָה, לִמְשִׁיחוֹ לְכוֹרֶשׁ אֲשֶׁר-הֶחֱזַקְתִּי בִימִינוֹ לְרַד-לְפָנָיו גּוֹיִם, וּמָתְנֵי מְלָכִים, אֲפַתֵּחַ--לִפְתֹּחַ לְפָנָיו דְּלָתַיִם, וּשְׁעָרִים לֹא יִסָּגֵרוּ.
1 Thus saith the LORD to His anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him, and to loose the loins of kings; to open the doors before him, and that the gates may not be shut:
Isaiah 45 / Hebrew - English Bible / Mechon-Mamre

That was the purpose of the life of Abdul'baha a beacon of hope by practical means.

Why do you want to give ALL CREDIT to a father / son / great-grandson corporation? There are people other than Bahais who do not accept this.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Was he the first to show that? Was he the only one to show that? Jews were happy under Hammurabi, and I think, some considered him to be a prophet. Your trumpets are making a very loud noise, more than 90 decibel.Why do you want to give ALL CREDIT to a father / son / great-grandson corporation? There are people other than Bahais who do not accept this.

That is not what this OP offered. That is how you have chosen to approch this topic. It was a sharing of a resource for a commemoration of a life, not a debate.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

To those that wish to have a summary of the video, here is a short Blog on the Funeral of Abdul'baha, which indicates how people saw Abdul'baha. The link follows a quote from that post.

"..If the old saying is true—that you can judge a man by his funeral—then Abdu’l-Baha’s interment produced one of the most spontaneous, profound and public outpourings of grief, affection, warmth, tenderness and love the Holy Land had ever seen..."

A Remarkable Funeral for Abdu’l-Baha

A more detailed account.

An Account of the Passing of 'Abdu'l-Bahá

Regards Tony

 

[Aupmanyav]

That it is your opinion. He is not an 'Exemplar' for all people. Some will consider his father and him as a divider of humanity for having started a new religion.