Existence of God. Can debate satisfy atheist ?

[Faithofchristian]

Here's a question.... Atheist will argue about a God they don't believe in...
If you don't believe in something..then it's waste of time to argue about something that you don't believe in..

When a Atheist ask for proof of evidence for the existence of God..
Then the Atheist is called into question by their own question..
The Atheist first has to give proof that God doesn't exist..
Before they can ask for the proof of evidence for the existence of God..

When I'm ask by a Atheist for the proof of evidence for the existence of God..

Then I ask the Atheist...your first called into question by your own question..

Before you can ask me for the proof of evidence for the existence of God..
You first must have the proof of evidence that God doesn't exist..before you can ask anyone for their proof that God exist..
It's that simple..

 

[Polymath257]

Except that God is not a material proposition. So you've defined the possibility of it out of existence, and you've declared any evidence for it invalid, in advance of any discussion, based your materialist bias. That may seem quite "scientific" to you, but in terms of philosophy, it's absurdly immature.

If 'material' simply means 'whatever there can be evidence for', then I disagree.

What sort of proposition *is* God? A figment of our imagination? If so, there is nothing say.

And, what does it even mean to say that something that is not a 'material proposition' actually exists?

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

Do you care to provide any example of any belief that resort logical fallacies ? So that I could continue.

Any examples that you think shows a God exists and speaks or communicated with Man will be a good start.

 

[Polymath257]

Here's a question.... Atheist will argue about a God they don't believe in...
If you don't believe in something..then it's waste of time to argue about something that you don't believe in..

That seems badly wrong to me. If a scientist does not believe in Bigfoot, it is certainly NOT a waste of time arguing against the existence of Bigfoot.

When a Atheist ask for proof of evidence for the existence of God..
Then the Atheist is called into question by their own question..
The Atheist first has to give proof that God doesn't exist..
Before they can ask for the proof of evidence for the existence of God..

Nope. Again, if someone does not believe in Bigfoot, the best thing a believer could to is actually produce a Bigfoot. In the absence of that, the person who does not believe merely has to show the proposed evidence is lacking.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

Here's a question.... Atheist will argue about a God they don't believe in...
If you don't believe in something..then it's waste of time to argue about something that you don't believe in..

When a Atheist ask for proof of evidence for the existence of God..
Then the Atheist is called into question by their own question..
The Atheist first has to give proof that God doesn't exist..
Before they can ask for the proof of evidence for the existence of God..

When I'm ask by a Atheist for the proof of evidence for the existence of God..

Then I ask the Atheist...your first called into question by your own question..

Before you can ask me for the proof of evidence for the existence of God..
You first must have the proof of evidence that God doesn't exist..before you can ask anyone for their proof that God exist..
It's that simple..

I listed some of the reasons for not believing a god exists.
Your turn to list reasons it does exist.

 

[Polymath257]

The condition would be the form the universe takes. How it presents itself!

What becomes of inflation in your model?

Inflation is one part of the four dimensional whole.

Can we really know such things that this is all there is?

Well, we can't even *know* that we don't live in The Matrix. The question is what the best evidence shows.

What about the possibility of a heat death to the universe?

What about it? Again, that would simply be a stage of the four dimensional spacetime.

Your questions are similar, in this view, to asking what is south of the south pole or the possibility it is cold at the north pole.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

That seems badly wrong to me. If a scientist does not believe in Bigfoot, it is certainly NOT a waste of time arguing against the existence of Bigfoot.


Nope. Again, if someone does not believe in Bigfoot, the best thing a believer could to is actually produce a Bigfoot. In the absence of that, the person who does not believe merely has to show the proposed evidence is lacking.

It's not that the evidence is lacking, the evidence points towards religion is manmade.

 

[Polymath257]

NO!

Atheists do NOT want to accept any amount of evidence or proof of God.

They delight in wallowing in their ignorance and insist that everyone else join them.

If the evidence could get to the strength of the current evidence for dark matter, there would be something to discuss. But the evidence for a deity is nowhere close to that level from what I can see.

 

[Polymath257]

Why wait for an answer ? hope that I will satisfy you providing some answer ?

Well, that's what OP is all about, thank you.

More like curiosity about whether you can actually present any evidence.

Frankly, I have little hope that will be the case.

 

[Polymath257]

Though evidence/proofs are present all around us since our birth, the biggest evidence/proof is one's own existence.

Often people ask question -- If sun is hot, why space is cold ?

And how, precisely, is that evidence for a deity? How does that support the existence of a universe with a deity over a universe without one?

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

The problem for most theists is they don't want to debate the existence of god. They just say it's so and atheists are meant to accept it. Or they point to evolution and we should just accept that.

 

[chinu]

Any examples that you think shows a God exists and speaks or communicated with Man will be a good start.

If I did. further what will there be left to start ? so cute of you !!! Dear, that is the end, NOT start you demanding for

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

If I did. further what will there be left to start ? so cute of you !!! Dear, that is the end, NOT start you demanding for

You keep dodging the point. That's enough to convince me you have no proof and don't want a debate. Whether it convinces others is up to them, this is an open forum, not a private conversation.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

And how, precisely, is that evidence for a deity? How does that support the existence of a universe with a deity over a universe without one?

If a diety created the Earth and heavens would he create something that couldn't survive? I'm referring to Mass Extinctions.

mass extinctions on earth - Google Search

• Ordovician extinction. When: about 445 million years ago. Species lost: 60-70 percent. ...
• Devonian extinction. When: about 375-360 million years ago. ...
• Permian extinction. When: about 252 million years ago. ...
• Triassic extinction. When: about 200 million years ago. ...
• Cretaceous extinction. When: about 66 million years ago.

 

[Polymath257]

If I did. further what will there be left to start ? so cute of you !!! Dear, that is the end, NOT start you demanding for

Huh?

First, show the existence of the thing you want to discuss.

THEN, discuss it.

 

[chinu]

Huh?

First, show the existence of the thing you want to discuss.

THEN, discuss it.

Okay, do you want video, or what ?

 

[Polymath257]

Okay, do you want video, or what ?

Depends on what the video is of. If it is simply someone spouting the same old, tired, bad arguments, then no.

If it is a video of an actual deity showing him(her/it)self to people publicly, then sure.

 

[Polymath257]

If a diety created the Earth and heavens would he create something that couldn't survive? I'm referring to Mass Extinctions. .

I don't know. Deities aren't something I believe in anyway.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

Okay, do you want video, or what ?

Any proof you wish to give us, but expect us to debate your proof.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

I don't know. Deities aren't something I believe in anyway.

Neither do I. I was confirming your belief.