Existence.

[Kirran]

Am talking of designing the scenario instead of experiencing it.
Of course, experiencing the scenario, and doing things in it is possible. But designing and experiencing isn't possible at the same time because subconscious also need a brain to design and play any scenario.

I guess I just don't get why you think the brain can't do both.

 

[HonestJoe]

At the time during your sleep you don't exist in the world which is all around your body. But, very well you know that at that time you exist in the world of your dreams.

That simply isn't true. Even when people are sleeping, they can be influenced by events around them, potentially affecting how people sleep or the nature of their dreams. Dreams exist within the mind, not really any differently to all the random thoughts going through our minds when we're awake.

Why doesn't this proves that your existence has no relation with the existence/non-existence of your body ? or why doesn't this proves that you will Exist (Somewhere/wherever) after your death ?

Nothing you've said supports the idea of existence outside the body. Sleep is an entirely different status to death so you'd need to establish some connection before anything here can relate to what happens to us when we die.

 

[Father Heathen]

For example: there's a scenario In a dream in which one is falling from a mountain. And while falling from this mountain one trying to catch rope, or tree etc.. to save himself.

Now, according to you this whole scenario occurs within the brain, which means that his Brain is busy in designing this whole scenario. Now, if Brain is busy in designing this scenario, than which Brain/intelligence is providing the idea of catching any rope, or tree etc.. to save himself in this scenario ? (One Brain cannot work for two different scenarios at a time)

Or, there's one more brain inside the brain ?

I hope, if you could catch this subtle point.

Yep, all with the same brain.

 

[chinu]

Yep, all with the same brain.

Okay, why doesn't this brain works in a dead-body ?

 

[Father Heathen]

One brain cannot do two things at a time.

For example: You are designing a video-game.
You cannot design and play that video-game at same time. Designing and Playing need two different time periods.

lolwowno

 

[Father Heathen]

Okay, why doesn't this brain works in a dead-body ?

Because the brain doesn't get blood and oxygen from the body and thus dies and decays with it.

 

[chinu]

Because the brain doesn't get blood and oxygen from the body and thus dies and decays with it.

Why brain stops receiving blood and oxygen from the body ?

 

[Father Heathen]

Why brain stops receiving blood and oxygen from the body ?

Because the body's systems ceased to function, hence death.

 

[chinu]

Because the body's systems ceased to function, hence death.

Brain controls body, or body controls brain ?

 

[chinu]

And what is wrong with patients of Coma ?

 

[`mud]

When one becomes a memory, as in death,
one may then become a dream to someone else.
But.....one will be just a memory even then.
~
This thought process is somewhat warped,
even in Chinu's dreams.
~
'mud

 

[Kirran]

And what is wrong with patients of Coma ?

Varies pretty widely, I think. But basically, the effector neurons don't do their job.

 

[Father Heathen]

And what is wrong with patients of Coma ?

The body is functioning whereas the brain is not.

I feel like a grade school teacher answering these questions.

 

[Father Heathen]

Brain controls body, or body controls brain ?

This thread leads me to believe that you weren't taught basis biology as a child.

 

[Parsimony]

One brain cannot do two things at a time.

You are seriously underestimating the brain. When you are driving a car, you are watching other cars, controlling the steering wheel and controlling the accelerator while still being capable of having a conversation with others in the car, breathing, scratching itches, etc. The brain multitasks all the time.

 

[Shadow of Liberty]

 

[Twilight Hue]

Brain controls body, or body controls brain ?

The brain regulates heartbeat. If the heart malfunctions, then the heart itself affects the brains oxygen supply. The brain isn't a single central entity either. Look up the effects of a lobotomy.

 

[Willamena]

At the time during your sleep you don't exist in the world which is all around your body. But, very well you know that at that time you exist in the world of your dreams.

Why doesn't this proves that your existence has no relation with the existence/non-existence of your body ? or why doesn't this proves that you will Exist (Somewhere/wherever) after your death ?

Because the same thing that observes a dream is the thing that observes the world which is all around your body. Observing one is no different than observing the other. The body no more or less disappears when you dream than the dream does when you are awake. What is proven?

It doesn't prove anything about what might be observed after death because it's not about that.

 

[NulliuSINverba]

At the time during your sleep you don't exist in the world which is all around your body.

That isn't what the people who've watched me talk in my sleep have to say. Are they mere figments of my imagination?

But, very well you know that at that time you exist in the world of your dreams.

Isn't it possible that the "world" of my dreams exists within my brain ... which exists within the world which is around my sleeping body?

Why doesn't this proves that your existence has no relation with the existence/non-existence of your body ?

Because my existence is predicated on the existence of my body? It's just a hunch, really.

or why doesn't this proves that you will Exist (Somewhere/wherever) after your death ?

Because falling asleep doesn't negate physical existence? Because there is a demonstrable difference between sleeping and dying?