metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
But then the question is what is covered by "work'?
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Exodus 16...Sabbath is tied to manna...it predates the 10 commandments
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Ebionite
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It makes no sense to the Christian worldview because it destroys the Pauline view of the law being nailed to the cross.
3rdAngel
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Please forgive me, but I do not believe you. (2 Timothy 3:16).
Ebionite
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That's not important. What matters is that the chain of reasoning is sound. Dismissing it as nonsense doesn't identify any error.
3rdAngel
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Your reasoning is unsound. That is why my first post stated that your post makes no sense to what you were responding to because you did not address anything in it. Then you randomly make claims and statements about the Apostle Paul and scripture being not true without any evidence to support your opinion. I know who I believe and it is not you.
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Ebionite
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You haven't identified any actual error.
3rdAngel
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Well that is not true. Try reading the posts you are responding to.
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Ebionite
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Pretending that you have won't work, either.
Elihoenai
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Genesis 2:1-3But then the question is what is covered by "work'?
2 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
This is a Critical Question.
Elohim/God Rested From All His Work On the Seventh Day!
In Literal/Temporal Terms Work is activity that returns Monetary rewards. For example a person such as myself that is Self-Employed Working from home Must Not do any Work on the Sabbath Day from home. There is No Real difference between Working gathering Six Days in the Wilderness Food and Working for Money Six Days. In the first example food is obtained Without the exchange of Money while in the second example Money is exchanged for Food.
What is your view on what is covered by Work?
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metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
I'm not being rude but am short on time, so let me post you a link you can refer to: A List of the 613 Mitzvot (Commandments) - Judaism 101 (JewFAQ)
3rdAngel
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Genuine question and just wondering. Do you still keep the old covenant Sanctuary laws and the laws of the Levitical Priesthood, circumcision and do you offer animal sacrifices every time you sin in order to receive Gods forgiveness for your sins and every other Old covenant law for Atonement for sin that make up most of those list of 613? If not than why not?
On the other hand do you know what sin is in the new covenant and why God gave us the 10 commandments which are all repeated in the New covenant as the standard of Christian living? I am also not trying to be rude. I am just trying to understand the reasoning of your post and why you posted a link to 613 commandments of the old covenant when the majority of them these Sanctuary laws of atonement are "shadow laws" fulfilled in and continued in Christ to who they pointed to.
Take Care.
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Elihoenai
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Are you saying that you agree with the Jewish/Judaism view of what is covered by Work? Given that you posed the Critical Question about Sabbath and Work, why are you Not Overtly Expressing your view on the question? Do you Work for Money on the Sabbath Day or do you Believe you are allowed to Work for Money on the Sabbath Day?
AdamjEdgar
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Hi Third Angel...i know im stepping back a bit here, however this response could be misinterpreted into one thinking that the New Covenant does not include the 10 commandments. You also infer this by stating in the quoted reference above, "sanctuary laws of atonement for Gods forgiveness are now fulfilled"
As and SDA, i believe strongly in the earthly sanctuary being modelled off the heavenly. As such when Christ ascended into heaven and sat down by the rhs of the Father, he was beginning his heavenly ministry phase...and this phase is described in the OT Sanctuary Service after the sacrifice on the day of atonement. We must not forget that the Sanctuary Service goes far beyond just Christs death...the animal sacrifice in the OT Service was not the end of the service.
The Day of Atonement ends when the priest lays hands on the scape goat (Azazeel) and it is then cast out into the wilderness to die. That process is not completed until Satan and all sin is erased from existence...and those events have not yet occured obviously...so the Sanctuary Service ministry of Christ (our High Priest after the order of Melchizadek) is not finished.
3rdAngel
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Hello Adam. If you read my posts throughout your OP. You will see I am pretty much saying the same thing. I have only ever posted that the Old and New Covenant include all of Gods 10 commandments (including Gods Sabbath commandment). I have also posted that all the laws of atonement, sin offerings, Levitical Priesthood and Sanctuary laws, circumcision and annual Feasts days in the Old covenant, have their fulfillment in Jesus as the promised Messiah in the New covenant. All these Old covenant laws of atonement were pointing to Gods true great high Priest in Jesus ministering on our behalf in the heavenly Sanctuary that the Lord pitched and not man based on better promises of which the earthly was only a copy (see Hebrews 7:1-25; Hebrews 8:1-13; Hebrews 9:1-27; Hebrews 10:1-22; John 1:29). My point being that all the Old covenant laws of atonement and remission of sins from the so called 613 are now fulfilled and continued in Gods promised Christ to who they all pointed to. I never posted anywhere Gods work of atonement is finished.
God bless
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
The Torah mandate in Torah deals with "work" had to be defined and elaborated on as it is not clear by itself in many cases exactly where the parameters were and are. Thus, this was and is the role of the sages who studied Torah and are able to put in context with the other 612 Commandments plus previous observance as Torah was and is not "stand alone".
However, with that being said, it is up to each of us to hear the reasoning and then decide for ourselves what's best and most moral in our situation(s).
Elihoenai
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Colossians 2:16
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Therefore, you are not certain about what constitutes Work according to the Torah. Every person Must decide what Elohim/God has told them about Moral Sabbath Day Observance.. Yet you still have not expressed your view on what you have decided Elohim/God has told you concerning what is Work on the Sabbath Day.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
When it comes to theology, certainty is the enemy of serious theology. Judaism well recognizes this, which is why the commentary system is so much used, and Jesus used this himself with his commentaries.
Study-- contemplate-- decide if one must.
Mine is mostly on Sunday, but I set aside some time each day.
Elihoenai
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Temporal Christianity and Judaism is the Absolute Opposite to Christian Gnosticism. In Christian Gnosticism Doubts become Absolute Certainty while Constant Doubt is the Nature of Temporal Christianity and Judaism.
John 8:31-32
31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
To be Real Disciples of Yeshua/Jesus Attaining Salvation You Must Know What The Truth Is.
Yes, most Christians have Sunday as their Sabbath. What has Elohim/God made you decide what you are allowed to do on Sunday Sabbath/Rest? For example, are you allowed to Work for Money on the Sabbath Day? Can you watch movies/sport or go to the pub on the Sabbath Day? What restrictions, if any, has Elohim/God Imposed on the Sabbath Day?
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Elihoenai
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Deuteronomy 4:5-6
5 Behold, I have taught you statutes and judgments, even as the Lord my God commanded me, that ye should do so in the land whither ye go to possess it.
6 Keep therefore and do them; for this is your wisdom and your understanding in the sight of the nations, which shall hear all these statutes, and say, Surely this great nation is a wise and understanding people.
Further to post #77: Exodus 16...Sabbath is tied to manna...it predates the 10 commandments
sage
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1. a profoundly wise person; a person famed for wisdom.
2. someone venerated for the possession of wisdom, judgment, and experience.
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A person becomes a Sage through Total Obedience to Elohim/God.
5 Behold, I have taught you statutes and judgments, even as the Lord my God commanded me, that ye should do so in the land whither ye go to possess it.
6 Keep therefore and do them; for this is your wisdom and your understanding in the sight of the nations, which shall hear all these statutes, and say, Surely this great nation is a wise and understanding people.
Further to post #77: Exodus 16...Sabbath is tied to manna...it predates the 10 commandments
sage
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1. a profoundly wise person; a person famed for wisdom.
2. someone venerated for the possession of wisdom, judgment, and experience.
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A person becomes a Sage through Total Obedience to Elohim/God.
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