Expectations

[methylatedghosts]

Friends,What ever we do; we always have *EXPECTATION* from it. We want a favourable result [expectation]. When a child is born, parents starts *Expecting* something from the child. A superman, something, something.The society expects from individuals as law abiding, tax payer etc.Individuals have expectations from their parents, society and when ever there is a mismatch Imbances happens causing mental sufferings.It can also be called DESIRES.Enlightened people therefore said ' DO NOT DESIRE / HAVE EXPECTATIONS and live a HAPPY LIFE.Whatever one needs is already given by existence then why desire and have expectations and live in hell?Heaven / hell are no places after death. After death is far off. Be HERE-NOW. The future will take care of itself. The PRCOCESS starts HERE-NOW.Comments / understandings/ brickbats / experiences/ whatever.Love & rgds

While I agree to an extent, I would exchange the word "desire" for the word "need". I think it's perfectly ok to desire a thing, because you can live fine without the thing you desire, or prefer. I mean, you can desire a cake over plain bread, but you don't need it to be who you really are. Likewise, you can desire for all nations to hold a banner of peace between them, but you don't need it to be who you really are. A desire is simply a preferred state of things, but whether or not it comes to be has no real effect on who and what you truly are BEing.

 

[zenzero]

Friend M..ghost,
Man needs food to survive and that is *NEED*
Without food to which need is interlinked; man cannot survice.
*DESIRES* are those those without which man can survive.

Understand that there are *meditators* who survive without food or water for years simply by an hath yoga process where the tongue is upturned and placed at the base of the nostrils.

This shows that to survive, humans do not even need food/water as existence provides them till existence requires the individual.

Love & rgds

 

[Phasmid]

Understand that there are *meditators* who survive without food or water for years simply by an hath yoga process where the tongue is upturned and placed at the base of the nostrils.

This shows that to survive, humans do not even need food/water as existence provides them till existence requires the individual.

Ummm... :no:

 

[Aupmanyav]

Understand that there are *meditators* who survive without food or water for years simply by an hath yoga process where the tongue is upturned and placed at the base of the nostrils.

Sorry, but that is BS.

 

[zenzero]

Friend Aupanyav,

Sorry, but that is BS.

What does BS stands for?

Love & rgds

 

[Phasmid]

Friend Aupanyav,



What does BS stands for?

Love & rgds

Bull waste product... in other words, rubbish, false, incorrect, impossible etc.

 

[zenzero]

Friend Aupmanyav,
BS= Bull sheet.
hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!
Thats good manure in Japan [have heard] they even use human sheet as manure.
Nothing is waste. Everything in nature has a use.
Well cannot blame anyone as none can claim to know everything.
What has been mentioned is true and those who are masters of Hath Yoga can verify it,
Rest leave it to individual minds to accept or reject even the individual is helpless in the matter.
Love & rgds

 

[Sunstone]

Expectations are tools. They should be used when appropriate and cleaned and put away when it is not appropriate to use them.

You expect or desire your corporate balance sheet to be in the black. Fine. But what about your expectations for that vacation trip you will be taking to the mountains? Should you really be expecting much there?

 

[zenzero]

Friends,
Those who do not accept that yogis can meditate without food and water; kindly run a google wth Yogis without food and read those listed articles.
Love & rgds

 

[TurkeyOnRye]

Understand that there are *meditators* who survive without food or water for years simply by an hath yoga process where the tongue is upturned and placed at the base of the nostrils.

This shows that to survive, humans do not even need food/water as existence provides them till existence requires the individual.

Love & rgds

I have heard of this before and know someone who apparently met a woman in Kashmir that practiced this. Needless to say, I'm entertaining the idea; after all, when one practices constant meditation in day-to-day life, the need for sleep is reduced, sometimes to almost nothing; I know this from personal experience (this is also very common for monks). Food is a bit different, but I can see the correlation. I doubt that anyone could survive on absolutely no food; even those of us that are enlightened are still human afterall, but I can certainly imagine the need for food being drastically reduced.

 

[zenzero]

Friend TurkeyOnRye,
Yes, it is understood that food is required by the body to survive but the form may not be the same as we normally know of as food. The reason:

Yogis learned how frogs and other animals survive during their hibernation periods even in cold weathers.
Love & rgds

 

[Phasmid]

Friend TurkeyOnRye,
Yes, it is understood that food is required by the body to survive but the form may not be the same as we normally know of as food. The reason:

Yogis learned how frogs and other animals survive during their hibernation periods even in cold weathers.
Love & rgds

There's on problem though... we're not frogs.

I agree with Turkey On Rye to an extent. I mean I often have to force myself to eat breakfast because I never feel hunry when I wake up. I think the body's metabolism slows during sleep, so you don't feel hunry, I suppose the body may do something similar during meditation, but I don't think one can survive much longer without food.

I mean, who will starve to death first? A person meditating (doing very little) or someone doig a normal 9 - 5 routine?

 

[Alex_G]

Friends,What ever we do; we always have *EXPECTATION* from it. We want a favourable result [expectation]. When a child is born, parents starts *Expecting* something from the child. A superman, something, something.The society expects from individuals as law abiding, tax payer etc.Individuals have expectations from their parents, society and when ever there is a mismatch Imbances happens causing mental sufferings.It can also be called DESIRES.Enlightened people therefore said ' DO NOT DESIRE / HAVE EXPECTATIONS and live a HAPPY LIFE.Whatever one needs is already given by existence then why desire and have expectations and live in hell?Heaven / hell are no places after death. After death is far off. Be HERE-NOW. The future will take care of itself. The PRCOCESS starts HERE-NOW.Comments / understandings/ brickbats / experiences/ whatever.Love & rgds

If you have capacity to desire, you have capacity to know what makes you happy or sad. Expectations may leave you dissappointed, but equally may leave you thrilled. Surely a man of no desires is blind to his own emotions. One who truely does not desire must have no compass of what makes him happy or sad. What point might there be to life devoid of desires?

As your 'enlightened people' said, do not desire/expect and live a happy life. If you listen and follow this, surely your following a desire!

 

[idea]

Are all desires selfish?

 

[Alex_G]

Could go either way depending on how you interperate the words, but id say yes, if you regard the very process of 'wanting' a selfish one, regardless of what it concerns.

Though one could read selfish desires as ones that only benefit or concern oneself, which would mean obviously there exists selfless ones.

 

[zenzero]

Friend Phasmid,

I mean, who will starve to death first? A person meditating (doing very little) or someone doig a normal 9 - 5 routine?

No need of fasting. It was just to state that there are methods by which meditators remain without food for longer time.

One can eat & meditate at the same time. The tea ceremony in Japan is a Zen meditation technique.
Love & rgds

 

[zenzero]

Friend AlexG,

If you have capacity to desire, you have capacity to know what makes you happy or sad. Expectations may leave you dissappointed, but equally may leave you thrilled. Surely a man of no desires is blind to his own emotions. One who truely does not desire must have no compass of what makes him happy or sad. What point might there be to life devoid of desires?

As your 'enlightened people' said, do not desire/expect and live a happy life. If you listen and follow this, surely your following a desire!

Happiness/sadness are all mind matters.
expectations /desires are for those that keeps that mind occupied when the goal of religion is to be in the NO-MIND i.e. mind which is free of thoughts and desires/expectations keeps one's mind occupied.
Yes, truly desire of nirvana too is a desire and even that has to be dropped, One just has to BE.
Love & rgds

 

[zenzero]

Friend idea,

Are all desires selfish?

The word selfish could relate to a person, a family, a community, society, country, world, all beings, universe etc.
The bigger the circle the less selfish the desire would be.
However desire remains a desire and as mentioned even the desire to achieve nirvana is also a desire which too needs to be dropped.
Love & rgds

 

[Aupmanyav]

Yogis learned how frogs and other animals survive during their hibernation periods even in cold weathers.

We do not know how much of it is truth and how much of it is fiction.

 

[Aupmanyav]

What point might there be to life devoid of desires?

Hindus made action according to 'dharma' (fulfilling duties and righteous action) the only thing to be desired. All pleasures are contained in that desire and all evils are controlled.