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Expelled

doppelganger

doppelganger

Through the Looking Glass
"Rather than God's handiwork, they see the universe as . . . " :no:

Ben has a limited understanding of religion and science. This goes in the "Arthur Conan Doyle" file.
 
Darkness

Darkness

Psychoanalyst/Marxist
Expelled comes off as a propaganda film.

Intelligent Design is not a science. That does not make it wrong, but it is still not a science. Ergo, when a scientist advocates ID and calls it a science, it seriously hurts his credibility.
 
Hope

Hope

Princesinha
Darkness said:
Expelled comes off as a propaganda film.
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Actually, I think it provides a good countering perspective to the evolutionistic propaganda that permeates our society. And I believe that is really the whole point of the film. It's not so much about ID vs. evolution as it is about freedom of speech, and freedom of ideas.

Intelligent Design is not a science. That does not make it wrong, but it is still not a science. Ergo, when a scientist advocates ID and calls it a science, it seriously hurts his credibility.
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Question: why is merely considering the possibility that there is a Higher Intelligence not science? If that's where the evidence leads, then why stifle such a conclusion? It has nothing to do with religion. Religion says this is such and such a deity that one must believe in on faith. Merely admitting the evidence points to a non-specific higher intelligence is not religion and perfectly in line with science.
 
Gentoo

Gentoo

The Feisty Penguin
Hope said:
Question: why is merely considering the possibility that there is a Higher Intelligence not science? If that's where the evidence leads, then why stifle such a conclusion?
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If that's where the evidence leads, then that's where the evidence leads. But ID is not a science because science has a very deliberate method (the scientific method) designed to keep bias to a minimum while searching for the truth. As far as I know, ID does not follow it. That's not to say that it's not a good idea, it's just not a scientific one.
 
I

iLL_LeaT

Member
Science and religion don't belong together.


1. Creationism is not science.


2. A scientific theory is nothing more then a hypothesis based on evidence


3. Darwinism is not a religion, its a scientific theory, the theory of evolution



However, sometimes people think that scientific theories discredit religion, causing conflict between science and religion.


This conflict has crated a culture that embraces atheists and disregards religious people as ignorant. And this culture has crated a pseudo-religion called science. I have even here people claiming that they “believe in science.”


Science is not a religion, people
 
Hope

Hope

Princesinha
doppelgänger;1057296 said:
Because it doesn't apply a scientific methodology.
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If, according to this film, scientists (who, I assume, employ a scientific methodology) come to the conclusion, as a result of their scientific methodologies, that a higher intelligence is very likely, then your statement makes no sense.
 
McBell

McBell

Unbound
Hope said:
If, according to this film, scientists (who, I assume, employ a scientific methodology) come to the conclusion, as a result of their scientific methodologies, that a higher intelligence is very likely, then your statement makes no sense.
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Why?
Is ID the only possible way to come to the conclusion that God did it?
 
lunamoth

lunamoth

Will to love
Hope said:
If, according to this film, scientists (who, I assume, employ a scientific methodology) come to the conclusion, as a result of their scientific methodologies, that a higher intelligence is very likely, then your statement makes no sense.
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They can't make that conclusion based upon their methodologies but in spite of their methodologies. As Gentoo said, science depends upon testable hypotheses and God is not subject to testing.
 
doppelganger

doppelganger

Through the Looking Glass
Hope said:
If, according to this film, scientists (who, I assume, employ a scientific methodology) come to the conclusion, as a result of their scientific methodologies, that a higher intelligence is very likely, then your statement makes no sense.
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Your assumption is mistaken. Scientists can reach all sorts of opinions without applying a scientific methodology, and such is the case with intelligent design. Just because credentialed scientists believe in it, does not give that belief a basis in science, any more than credentialed scientists enjoying Big Macs over Whoppers gives that preference a basis in science.
 
Popeyesays

Popeyesays

Well-Known Member
Hope said:
If, according to this film, scientists (who, I assume, employ a scientific methodology) come to the conclusion, as a result of their scientific methodologies, that a higher intelligence is very likely, then your statement makes no sense.
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Intelligent Design?

Those "scientists" took off their scientist's hats when they made a pronouncement based on faith.

Science and Religion are the two eyes we use to see reality. If you close one of those eyes, then you are half-blind.

Regards,
Scott
 
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