Experiencing God

[Eliab ben Benjamin]

Does that mean that at the pearly Gates we will be asked whether we accept Jesus as Lord and Savior, before releasing the sentence? I ask because little children and people who never heard of Jesus could not have possibly done that during their lives.

Ciao

- viole

Well i wasn't asked that at the Pearly Gates nor was Y'shua bar Yoseph mentioned at all
when i died 24/02/82 !! no magic robe either ...

 

[Cephus]

IMO I think some people prefer not to share their experiences cause they don't like to be mock by people

Ridiculous "experiences" should be mocked, bad ideas should be questioned and faulty beliefs should be rejected. It's the only way that humanity improves.

 

[Nakosis]

IMO I think some people prefer not to share their experiences cause they don't like to be mock by people

Mocking is a good thing to learn to deal with. Mocking is bad when a person can't deal with it. You don't want to cause someone to hurt themselves.

Mocking can either cause you to question your position or strengthen it. Mocking can also be just childish. Mocking, bullying, ridiculing someone for their beliefs.

I was just thinking they should give lesson in how to deal with mocking.
http://www.wikihow.com/Stop-People-from-Mocking

I remember being maybe 7 or 8 yo and my Grandmother telling me to act normal so people won't mock me. I gave her examples of how I could deal with folks that mocked me. The more I get mock the more I see it as a challenge.

Kind of rubbed off on my kids for better or worse. Always be willing to be mocked and be willing to mock yourself.

 

[paarsurrey]

I am amazed that so many believers that have had "spiritual" experiences won't share their experiences with others. It ought not surprise me however, as I too have had "spiritual" experiences that I just will not share with anyone. I gather that the telling of such experiences puts one at risk of throwing one's pearls to the swine.

My experience of God has actually brought me to a point where I no longer require faith to believe in God. I am absolutely certain of his existence and presence in my life.

So I guess that leaves me with a question for those who have had God experiences. What do you think it was that you did which enabled you to experience what you experienced? What did you do to invoke God's attention?

I experience G-d when I read Quran and see things of nature both authored/created by Him.
Regards

 

[BenTheBeliever]

Ridiculous "experiences" should be mocked, bad ideas should be questioned and faulty beliefs should be rejected. It's the only way that humanity improves.

You just proves my point right there

 

[BenTheBeliever]

Mocking is a good thing to learn to deal with. Mocking is bad when a person can't deal with it. You don't want to cause someone to hurt themselves.

Mocking can either cause you to question your position or strengthen it. Mocking can also be just childish. Mocking, bullying, ridiculing someone for their beliefs.

I was just thinking they should give lesson in how to deal with mocking.
http://www.wikihow.com/Stop-People-from-Mocking

I remember being maybe 7 or 8 yo and my Grandmother telling me to act normal so people won't mock me. I gave her examples of how I could deal with folks that mocked me. The more I get mock the more I see it as a challenge.

Kind of rubbed off on my kids for better or worse. Always be willing to be mocked and be willing to mock yourself.

I think mocking people shows disrespect.

 

[bud123]

i didn't do anything. is is god who is trying to get my attention, i just don't listen. I can hear him better when i am following him better.

 

[Nakosis]

I think mocking people shows disrespect.

Yes it does.
No guarantees in this world that you are going to be respected.

 

[Cephus]

You just proves my point right there

That religion is ridiculous? That's already well known.

 

[Muffled]

Being confronted with the "truth" in rf without any Jesus showing His face, is a far cry from the same people finding themselves at the Pearly Gates after being dead.

Ciao

- viole

I believe I can agree with that. If a person knew he was going to be tossed into outer space, he would choose the robe instead but most people are ignorant of the Bible and might not understand the impact of their choice.

 

[Muffled]

Exactly how do you know they've been confronted with "the truth" if they don't acknowledge it? Just because *YOU* believe something, that doesn't make it true.

I believe I am Jesus speaking so of course I speak the truth.

 

[Muffled]

Your experiences are no more than a delusion that occurs as a result of neurochemical phenomena. Evolution has conspired to make religious belief and superstitions as well as visions and experiences more probable in humans because religious socities tended to be more ordered and succesful and so only the religious societies that succeeded passed their genes on. Thus we get a lot of people who think they're perfect and that their experiences are 100% true. It requires massive and breathtaking evidence not to be skeptical of the reliability of the human brain and the constant self deception we undergo.

I believe this argument has been made before and I refuted it.

I believe this is an inordinate requirement. When I saw water separate into oxygen and hydrogen it did not appear to be massive or breathtaking evidence. It seemed quite natural. So are you saying that religious experience has to be held to a higher standard and why?

 

[viole]

I believe I am Jesus speaking so of course I speak the truth.

If you believe you are Jesus speaking, then you cannot claim to speak the truth. You can claim to believe that you speak the truth, at best.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Cephus]

I believe I am Jesus speaking so of course I speak the truth.

Someone call the guys with those nice white coats that tie in the back, stat!

 

[BenTheBeliever]

I believe I am Jesus speaking so of course I speak the truth.

A very true statement. each of us who are believers of Christ are used by God to speak life into others and to speak out against the darkness

 

[serp777]

I believe this argument has been made before and I refuted it.

I believe this is an inordinate requirement. When I saw water separate into oxygen and hydrogen it did not appear to be massive or breathtaking evidence. It seemed quite natural. So are you saying that religious experience has to be held to a higher standard and why?

How is the separation of water into oxygen and hydrogen even remotely equivalent? One is a well known and observed phenomena that has rigorous experimental evidence from millions of experiments all around the world. Furthermore the separation of hydrogen and oxygen has a number of concrete applications which also demonstrate this thoroughly. Surely you're not sayingthat your feelings and experiences are equivalent to the vast amount of empirical data, right?

Also one is about a chemical process, and the other is about the truth of the universe, reality, our existence, and our purpose. Surely you recognize that you're making a vastly larger claim than saying you saw water and oxygen separate. Its ridiculous to say that they're similar at all.

In addition, if we accept your experiences and feelings as legitimate, then we also have to accept the terrorist who allegedly has feelings and visions from allah to blow up a school bus of infidels, or the feelings and experiences of the christian woman who allegedly had a vision from Jesus to drown her children as a test of her faith. So there is absolutely no good reason whatsoever that your feelings and experiences are any more reliable than anyone elses, including the many inconsistent and mutually exclusive feelings and experiences. It requires breathtaking arrogance to say that your feelings and experiences

And what if someone had a strong feeling from their deity that you were wrong? Obviously you couldn't both be correct.

Also its a complete non sequitur to go from some random, fallacious, and unreliable feeling to believing a particular religious doctrine and accepting a certain morality.

 

[Nakosis]

Well i wasn't asked that at the Pearly Gates nor was Y'shua bar Yoseph mentioned at all
when i died 24/02/82 !! no magic robe either ...

According to the Tibetan Book of the Death your experience at death can differ, at least initially. I imagine a somewhat dreamlike experience where what you experience can be pretty fluid. If that is the case Christians might very well find themselves in front of some entrance to heaven waiting to be judged.

I haven't died in this life yet so have pretty much a wait and see if anything attitude. At worst maybe a dream, at best maybe nothing, non-existence and nothing further to worry about.

It'd be a interesting scene though, Christians arriving at the Gate, invoking the name of Jesus and the angels respond "Who?".

 

[Muffled]

Well i wasn't asked that at the Pearly Gates nor was Y'shua bar Yoseph mentioned at all
when i died 24/02/82 !! no magic robe either ...

I believe there are two reasons for that. One you don't believe in Jesus so yo wouldn't seek Him. Two the event occurs at the Rapture which hasn't happened yet. What happens when you die depends on what you believe to some extent and on God's judgement a lot.

 

[Cephus]

I believe there are two reasons for that. One you don't believe in Jesus so yo wouldn't seek Him. Two the event occurs at the Rapture which hasn't happened yet. What happens when you die depends on what you believe to some extent and on God's judgement a lot.

There's no evidence for Jesus or God so why would any rational person seek either of them out? Likewise, there's no evidence that any Rapture is going to happen so why should any rational person believe in it? You're just asserting things are true without having the slightest credible reason to think that way.

 

[Muffled]

There's no evidence for Jesus or God so why would any rational person seek either of them out? Likewise, there's no evidence that any Rapture is going to happen so why should any rational person believe in it? You're just asserting things are true without having the slightest credible reason to think that way.

I believe I have shown enough evidence for God and Jesus so I wonder why you think you are so rational when you ignore evidence.

I believe he was speaking of when he died that he didn't see Jesus. I believe he didn't see Him because he didn't seek Him. As for the reason good luck because I am going to keep this from you.

I believe the Rapture is propphecy so how would one see evidence of something that hasn't happened yet. However there is plenty of evidence that prophecies come true and one that Jesus made has come true.

I believe you should know better from my previous posts.