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Facebook must be broken up

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
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I'm not particularly concerned with Facepalm, honestly. It's nonessential and could be vaporized tomorrow and it wouldn't matter a lick. But Spamazon? That's an entirely different story. Spamazon should be torn up first.

So Bezos giving 8 billion to fight climate change is evil?
 

ADigitalArtist

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So Bezos giving 8 billion to fight climate change is evil?
If a casino which preys on disability and addiction, uses questionable means to get profit, and provides unsafe work places for their employees also donates what would be an equivalent of a nickel to child education, do the two things cancel out?
 

ADigitalArtist

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So Bezos giving 8 billion to fight climate change is evil?
What if the result of a 8 billion dollar research initiative came back with 'The largest single contribution to modern pollution is huge gains in unnecessary transportation of goods through overland and air low efficiency vehicles (e.g. trucks and planes) with delivery en mass'?
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
If a casino which preys on disability and addiction, uses questionable means to get profit, and provides unsafe work places for their employees also donates what would be an equivalent of a nickel to child education, do the two things cancel out?

Do the disabled have any responsibility for their actions? Is it not the government's job to ensure a safe work environment?

It was 8% of his net worth.
 

ADigitalArtist

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Do the disabled have any responsibility for their actions?
Victim blaming is a predator's best friend.
Is it not the government's job to ensure a safe work environment?
If you're so wealthy that the government's standard citation literally cannot damage you then the government should do something about it.
Like.. I don't know...breaking up a monopoly.
It was 8% of his net worth.
No it isn't. lol. Why Jeff Bezos Lost $8 Billion In The Last 2 Days – And Why That’s Not A Big Deal
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
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What if the result of a 8 billion dollar research initiative came back with 'The largest single contribution to modern pollution is huge gains in unnecessary transportation of goods through overland and air low efficiency vehicles (e.g. trucks and planes) with delivery en mass'?

Amazon's local distribution system helps with that but there is always room to make the system better. Nobody wants low-efficiency trucks. I'd suspect he'd jump at a chance to fix that.
 

ADigitalArtist

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Amazon's local distribution system helps with that but there is always room to make the system better. Nobody wants low-efficiency trucks. I'd suspect he'd jump at a chance to fix that.
So we should stop wasteful behavior until alternatives which don't cause huge harms are available.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
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Victim blaming is a predator's best friend.

So they don't have any responsibility. You have a pretty dour outlook on the disabled.

If you're so wealthy that the government's standard citation literally cannot damage you then the government should do something about it.
Like.. I don't know...breaking up a monopoly.

Ok, well... Government get busy. Probably too focused on getting reelected. :shrug:


Ok, 4.4%. I suppose his net worth has increased by helping all them people forced to stay at home by covid-19 to get what they need.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
So we should stop wasteful behavior until alternatives which don't cause huge harms are available.

In which case the improvement will no longer be needed. No reason to fix the inefficiency. No reason for the report in the first place. Need drives innovation, not the other way around.
 

ADigitalArtist

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So they don't have any responsibility. You have a pretty dour outlook on the disabled.
I don't blame people for not being able to afford a state of the art security system when their house gets broken into. And I don't support taking advantage of people's disabilities and then blaming them for it.
Ok, well... Government get busy. Probably too focused on getting reelected. :shrug:
Well we're starting with Facebook. That's at least a start.
Ok, 4.4%. I suppose his net worth has increased by helping all them people forced to stay at home by covid-19 to get what they need.
*Taking advantage of a crisis to profiteer while bullying anyone else who could help out of the picture through the insanely hostile narcisistic American market philosophy.
He's a Randian. He doesn't give a **** about people who 'need help.'
In which case the improvement will no longer be needed. No reason to fix the inefficiency. No reason for the report in the first place. Need drives innovation, not the other way around.
'Let's do this highly damaging thing until we can find a way of making it less damaging but also as cost effective' isn't innovation. It's corner cutting.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
I don't blame people for not being able to afford a state of the art security system when their house gets broken into.

Amazon bought out Ring so Bezos is helping with that.

And I don't support taking advantage of people's disabilities and then blaming them for it.

So how is Amazon taking advantage of people's disabilities?

Well we're starting with Facebook. That's at least a start.

Yes, how dare Facebook give people what they want. It's inhumane.

*Taking advantage of a crisis to profiteer while bullying anyone else who could help out of the picture through the insanely hostile narcisistic American market philosophy.
He's a Randian. He doesn't give a **** about people who 'need help.'

And yet here he is helping all them folks

Objectivism's main tenets are that reality exists independently of consciousness, that human beings have direct contact with reality through sense perception (see direct and indirect realism), that one can attain objective knowledge from perception through the process of concept formation and inductive logic, that the proper moral purpose of one's life is the pursuit of one's own happiness (see rational egoism), that the only social system consistent with this morality is one that displays full respect for individual rights embodied in laissez-faire capitalism, and that the role of art in human life is to transform humans' metaphysical ideas by selective reproduction of reality into a physical form—a work of art—that one can comprehend and to which one can respond emotionally.
Yes, sounds awful.

'Let's do this highly damaging thing until we can find a way of making it less damaging but also as cost effective' isn't innovation. It's corner cutting.

You can't cut corners until the corners have been made.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Doesn't matter, Facebook was already cleared of these suits previously. Likely be cleared again.

And even if they win, big deal. Facebook will have to notify the government of future acquisitions over 10 million. :shrug:
Doesn't even sound worth fighting.
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
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Breaking up Amazon is interesting.
How do you imagine it happening?

There are others wiser than me that have speculated on that front, but from what I understand they essentially have their hands in far too many pots. When you own an incalculable amount of customer data on purchasing trends, combine that with making actual goods and products based on what you learned is popular and then also own the platform that promotes these products and facilitates their shipping/distribution? Yeah.

I remember getting really annoyed trying to use Spamazon within the last decade because it felt like search results were getting less and less useful. I thought I was just being paranoid, but no, they curate your search results now to the point I can't actually find what I'm looking for half the time without using advanced search options. Nope, they want to promote what they think you want, or what they want to sell you with their "featured" crap.
The main thing I use Spamazon for these days is finding out about a product then going directly to the company's website to buy it whenever that is at all possible. And books? I stopped buying books from them a while ago. Only actual booksellers now.
 

halbhh

The wonder and awe of "all things".
Any group of innovative people are able to start up a facebook competitor today or tomorrow.

If they can make something better, it might gain lots of customers.

There are some things where the free market works especially well with very little regulation (and many areas where it needs some regulation).

I think this is one of those places where little regulation at all is needed for the best possible outcome.

The true public domain part is just the internet itself, not a service like Facebook, which could have 10 new competitors show up in just a few months if people tried.
 

Fool

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Stevicus

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Breaking up Amazon is interesting.
How do you imagine it happening?

I heard that Walmart is planning to roll out some alternative to Amazon. I thought competition was how capitalism was supposed to work, but it seems like a lot of these giants have no real competition.

I don't have a Facebook account. I don't really care much for social media. RF is more my speed.
 
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