Factors preventing people from conversion to Islam

[Muffled]

Good for you. We really respect Jesus Christ as one of our main prophets that had been sent by God and we believe that he will return at the start of apocalypse and will fill the world with peace. Also we believe in Holy virgin Mary as one of the greatest women in the world.

If you believe in Jesus then you should listen to what he says:

John 8:45 But because I say the truth, you believe me not.
46 ¶ Which of you convicts me of sin? If I say truth, why do you not believe me?
47 He that is of God hears the words of God: for this cause you hear them not, because you are not of God.

 

[Muffled]

I think you can get an indication from many of the posts, that it is a matter of culture and society. the Jews practice Judaism, the people in Jordan practice Sunni Islam, Europeans practice Christianity.
you cannot alter social orders and expect people to shift to the cultural traits of other communities, to their system of laws, and the social challenges of people who live in the middle east, or perhaps the Indian sub continent.
Islam is more than just a religion, it is a religion which is practiced by people who have their own distinct cultural traits, the Pakistanis, the Arabs, the South East Asians, and other notable societies.
In effect Jasem, what you are asking from people, is to take on your challenges of culture or nation.

Christianity has Muslim converts in the Middle East but they have to be covert in order to stay alive.

 

[Vendetta]

1. Muhammad was a warlord. This almost singlehandedly disqualifies him. I would expect a person of god to be the peaceful type.
2. His rules are severly degrading to women, such as the law where in court a womans word is worth half that of a man.
3. Muhammad was a pedophile, marrying and having sex with a child.
4. Islam states that half of humanity is going to hell. This is a ridiculous idea, being inherited from a twisted Christianity. No sober-minded person could ever accept such a pathetic, wicked idea as true.
5. The bible is believed to be valid. The bible itself is a completely absurd set of documents which are clearly man-made, just like the Koran.
6. The revelations which Muhammad supposedly received, and that he is supposedly the last prophet, fall short of what one would expect as the last message to humanity. Where is information about genetics? Or about the big bang? Or evolution?
7. A God that is obsessed with worship is another ridiculous idea. Why would anyone want to be worshipped at all, let alone as much as the Abrahamic God demands.
8. How could we think that an all-powerful god would communicate with humans through individuals like Muhammad? God would know that sober-minded people couldn't possibly accept the testimony of, say, Buddha, over the testimony of countless other 'prophets'? If God existed, he wouldn't make such an obvious, foolish error. He would make sure that his message was clear and accepted as valid by everyone.
9. In Islam, people can have up to 4 wives. Muhammad had a lot more than this, another indication that he was in it for power, wealth and luxury, deceiving the masses with lies.

Just another religion, nothing special to talk about. However, the damage that Islam has done to humanity and continues to do is extreme. It will be a good day when no one believes this nonsense anymore, and the religion fades into mythology to join the countless other religions which people don't believe in anymore.

Just reading this you are totally ignorant of Islam. In your reason #6 you state that if the Quran was the last.message to humanity why doesn't God speak on genetics, and evolution? So now metaphysical doctrines must contain scientific explanations of the physical world? That above all you've written is totally absurd

 

[earlwooters]

I think 9/11 might have deterred alot of people.

 

[Vendetta]

I have to reject the notion that all Abrahamic religions ought to be culturally intertwined and by culturally I mean nationality. If Islam is attached to a nationality then I would say such attachments are not only problematic in the sense of logical discourse as one explains the universality of that particular faith, but the deity they worship. The original text of Judaic writings are Hebrew/Aramaic and like them, the original text in Islamic thought are Arabic, and Christianity Greek/Hebrew/Aramaic. Personally these religions culturally have no personal relationship to me since I speak neither one those languages and I do not live in neither of those regions.

Prayers and hymns in those faiths in those religions have to be in their original language in order to be valid. I reject that. The problem with these Abrahamic religions that claim to be universal is that I have to validate my love for God through a language I am not familiar with. I have to adopt dietary customs that I am not familiar with (with the exception of Christianity), and I have to adopt social customs I was never raised in.

This above all makes the Abrahamic religions constricted to these specified cultures and that should change, otherwise these faiths should not proclaim their deity who has given them laws to live by, is the Lord of All Humans. How can I follow a God who claims to be my creator if he has supplied a "special law" for a specific group of people to uphold or make a man in a particular region in the world I am not familiar with, the last human prophet? There really is (in my opinion) universal appeal culturally because I am always adoptig someone roses culture and validating my spiritual convictions in another cultures language and social customs. To me above all, should change.

 

[PolyHedral]

Just reading this you are totally ignorant of Islam. In your reason #6 you state that if the Quran was the last.message to humanity why does God speak on genetics, and evolution? So now metaphysical doctrines must contain scientific explanations of the physical world? That above all you've written is totally absjrd

Lots of people say that God/Yahweh/Allah/etc have an opinion of genetic engineering and similar technologies, yet none of the holy books mention them.

 

[Vendetta]

Lots of people say that God/Yahweh/Allah/etc have an opinion of genetic engineering and similar technologies, yet none of the holy books mention them.

I understand. I am familiar with the Quran speaking on embryology, meteorology, and cosmology, but again why are we judging these books by 21st century standards? Just appreciate the darn information. Who knows maybe in the 31st Century our descendants will think speaking on religiousforums.com and debating on the validity of the Quran is absurd.

 

[Caladan]

Christianity has Muslim converts in the Middle East but they have to be covert in order to stay alive.

Why would you go for the converts?
the mid east has some of the most ancient Christian communities. Arabs, Armenians, and Assyrians.

 

[jasem]

If you believe in Jesus then you should listen to what he says:

John 8:45 But because I say the truth, you believe me not.
46 ¶ Which of you convicts me of sin? If I say truth, why do you not believe me?
47 He that is of God hears the words of God: for this cause you hear them not, because you are not of God.

Are these what Jesus said? Are you sure? Because as I know, these Gospels are written by his followers not by him and non of his followers has claimed that this book has been brought to human by God. Where is the real Gospel?:no:

 

[jasem]

I think 9/11 might have deterred alot of people.

Why? 9/11 was totally engineered by US government and Israel. Just take a look and see how many documentaries have been produced by US citizens for proving that USA was responsible for that.

 

[PolyHedral]

I'm fairly certain that 9/11 being engineered by the US government requires them to be both very powerful, efficient, and aware, and not aware at all.

Remember, the theory involves the US maintaining a secret conspiracy involving upwards of 2,000 people. How did it get out in the first place?

 

[England my lionheart]

Why? 9/11 was totally engineered by US government and Israel. Just take a look and see how many documentaries have been produced by US citizens for proving that USA was responsible for that.

:thudf course it was the great Shaitan :cover: LOL,so if its in a Documentary it must be true

 

[Flankerl]

Why? 9/11 was totally engineered by US government and Israel. Just take a look and see how many documentaries have been produced by US citizens for proving that USA was responsible for that.

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I already knew what kind of person you were when i read your posts on our DIR. Thanks for proving me right.

 

[Vendetta]

Why? 9/11 was totally engineered by US government and Israel. Just take a look and see how many documentaries have been produced by US citizens for proving that USA was responsible for that.

What embicile thinks the US government engineered the destruction of its own buildings and then sends troops to foreign lands so 2,000+ of its troops can be killed?

(looks at you)

I guess I have to blame my own government for why I spent 8 years of my life overseas

 

[Levite]

Why? 9/11 was totally engineered by US government and Israel. Just take a look and see how many documentaries have been produced by US citizens for proving that USA was responsible for that.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

(And why would anyone be surprised by this?)

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

What embicile thinks the US government engineered the destruction of its own buildings and then sends troops to foreign lands so 2,000+ of its troops can be killed?

It's scary how many regular Muslims really seem to believe that. Indoctrination is a powerful tool.

 

[YmirGF]

(And why would anyone be surprised by this?)

I'm not surprised, then again, I am a bit too old to be surprised by much - even the long awaited return of Jayhawker Soule.
(Good to see you back for a bit, Jay. I hope you are well and in good spirits.)

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Why? 9/11 was totally engineered by US government and Israel. Just take a look and see how many documentaries have been produced by US citizens for proving that USA was responsible for that.

Well, at least your logic and your information are of the same quality.

 

[jasem]

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I already knew what kind of person you were when i read your posts on our DIR. Thanks for proving me right.

O.K. what kind of person I am?