questfortruth
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Jesus exists, but satan does not exist. Two gods are there: satan and Jesus.
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Spirit of Light
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If Satan does not exist, how can Satan be a God?
Fallen Prophet
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Both Satan and Jesus exist - but only one of them is God - and it ain't Satan.
I find in Scripture that Satan is the 'god' of this world of badness as per 2 Corinthians 4:4.
Before being thrown out of Heaven sinner Satan was an angelic son of God.
Pre-human heavenly Jesus was also Son of God. (Not God the Son )
That would make Jesus and Satan heavenly brothers of their Creator and God.
Pre-human Jesus and Satan thus have the same heavenly Father aka their God.
Because God resurrected faithful Son Jesus is why Jesus has the power to kill sinner Satan.
Jesus will destroy Satan - Hebrews 2:14 B.
Sinner Satan is the ' god ' (Not God) of this world. His influence is behind the world's badness - 1 John 5:19; 2 Corinthians 4:4
Pre-human Jesus and Satan both have the same Father, thus they are brothers.
Because God resurrected faithful Jesus is why Jesus has the power to destroy sinner Satan - Hebrews 2:14 B
Yes, and in Scripture ' god ' is a title and Not a personal name. Satan is the 'god' of this world - 2 Corinthians 4:4
So, it could be said that sinner Satan is a lesser god, but Not God YHWH to which the Tetragrammaton applies.
The 'archangel' of 1 Thessalonians 4:16 applies to a specific angel and Not God YHWH.
Alienistic
Anti-conformity
Some sects of Christianity have two gods, and if going by the Bible- it does mention another father and then the god of this world.
QuestioningMind
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Facts: 1) Satan is very good at skateboarding, but doesn't drive a car very well because he's always texting behind the wheel. He also has sausages for fingers on his left hand. 2) There are six gods, Grob, Nomat, Lulu, Zingo, Hoopta, and Stan and only a god can tickle another god.
Therefore (from facts 1&2) it's obvious that I don't seem to comprehend the difference between stating a genuine fact and merely making unsupported claims.
Fallen Prophet
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Satan contributes to the "world's badness" - but he is not its source. The natural man is.
You are correct that Jesus and Satan share the same Father - but that does not mean they share the same authority or title. One is God and the other is not.
Actually - it was the Lord Jesus Christ who had life in Himself. He Resurrected Himself with authority He received from the Father.
We all have the power to destroy Satan's influence in our lives.
questfortruth
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The satan is like a zombie, a vampire. It is present, but it is not alive and does not exist in God's Love.
All that exists has come from Jesus Christ. The Holy Lucifer has come from Jesus. Hence, Lucifer was existing, but then he has lost the right to exist. Hence, satan is present but does not exist. God does not love satan, Hitler, Judas, pedophiles, terrorists, etc. These have lost the gift of existence in God's eyes. For God, they are just like non-existent.
If there is one All-mighty Loving God, then why do the children die of hunger and cancer?
Because there is satan. The satan is not a humble servant, but the divine enemy of God.
Just as in war with Hitler: the Russians acknowledged Hitler as another ruler but obeyed only their ruler - Stalin. I am a monotheist not because there is one god, but because there is only one god to be faithful to.
The Love is name of God. Hence, the "All-merciful" (that what it means "god") must be God's name as well. It is not His problem, that there are false gods - they took the name of God, pretending to be God. The satan is this false True God. He is god, because any spirit is god. The satan is evil spirit.
He can do such things, that no limited being can do, for example, to arrange coincidences (look up: the Mandella effect), because he is spirit of dis-luck. He is Dis-Luck himself.
Spirit of Light
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What does this mean? Satan is a false true God
questfortruth
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It is that I am an ordinary Christian, because I worship only Jesus, and I think of satan as of non-existent being. He is there, but he does not exist: "God is not your father, the satan is your father", - says Jesus. "you are not from God but from satan." Hence, satan has no connection with God.What does this mean? Satan is a false true God
Therefore, there are two sources for motives and actions of people: remember how easy terrorists murder children at schools in the US. According to two gods, the sinners have two consciences. The sinner likes to sin and sees sin as a holy thing, the saints like to do good, and see sin as a bad thing. Recall the pride parade.
Spirit of Light
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I would think this means that Satan is the tempter and as long humans follow the temptation of Satan they can not get in to heaven with God. I do not believe for a moment that Satan is a God.
questfortruth
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If there is only one God, why He has the enemy? Any enemy of God must be god himself.
otherwise, there is no logical solution to children's dying from cancer.
He is god, because any spirit is god (look up the Bible verse: "God is Spirit"). The satan is evil spirit.
Spirit of Light
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Does not the bible also say something about if humans sin they will feel suffering, pain, and sickness? That makes it actually a human problem and not a God problem that we get sick.
May it be that the spirit that becomes the child here on earth did something bad before becoming a human, and this is the reason they suffer?
I do not believe God punish humans without a very very good reason.
questfortruth
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You are used to mixing two gods. The god to blame - satan. Please blame divine satan for every bad thing. The God to glorify and thank - True God.
Spirit of Light
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I believe only in one God.
Satan or Iblis as it is called in Islam is the outcast from heaven, and he's become man's tempter on every aspect of our attachments to this human world, when we let go of every attachment and evil thought we have, then we see only God (truth)
questfortruth
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Same am I. I believe in one God only. But I know, that there are places without God. It is the hearts of atheists. God is Wisdom and Light, hence there is Darkness in atheists. The Light has not created Darkness. Hence, the Darkness is an idol.
Spirit of Light
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How can you say God is not within an atheist heart? Only God know that.
God is waiting for the Atheists to let them into his heaven, But if the Atheist can not see or hear God, there is not much to do other than let them be who they are.
Atheists have the choice to listen, they just are in lack of the tool needed to believe.
questfortruth
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Then the Lord said to Moses, “Stretch out your hand toward the sky so that darkness spreads over Egypt—darkness that can be felt.”
Exodus 10:21