sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
I like to eat my words with Fava beans and a nice Chianti. But that’s not going to happen, just because international military action results in death in most cases.
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Failed NT Prophecies about the Second Coming of Jesus
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MJFlores
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No need to buy, its free.
1 Thessalonians 4:13 New International Version (NIV)
Brothers and sisters, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you do not grieve like the rest of mankind, who have no hope.
Well the rest of mankind, have no hope so they would consider this strained and contrived.
Faithofchristian
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By all means, in the book of Mark 13.
Jesus fortold what the Blasphemy of the Spirit is, And when it will happen and by who can commit it.
And how does this fit into the book of Revelation.
MJFlores
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Most likely the problem lies on the expectation that after the Lord Jesus Christ death, resurrection and taken up to heaven, he would return immediately during the disciples' lifetime.
But you have not read, the Book of Revelations which contains things that happened [after the apostles' lifetime but before our present day] and must happen before the end comes.
The prophecies of the Lord Jesus Christ are not only contained in the Synoptic Gospels but also in the rest of the New Testament Books. For example Peter writes:
2 Peter 3:8 New International Version (NIV)
But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.
One Day with the Lord God = 1,000 Human Days.
We are in 2018 hence its just 2 day for the Lord.
And that's in the Bible.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Beware the freebie. That sort of deal is usually too good to be true. It certainly seems to bear out that way in this case.View attachment 22338
No need to buy, its free.
1 Thessalonians 4:13 New International Version (NIV)
Brothers and sisters, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you do not grieve like the rest of mankind, who have no hope.
Well the rest of mankind, have no hope so they would consider this strained and contrived.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
You’re grasping for straws.
MJFlores
Well-Known Member
When Jesus said "Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened." Matthew 24:34 [URL='https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark+13:30&version=NIV']Mark 13:30 [URL='https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+21:32&version=NIV']Luke 21:32 [/URL][/URL]
He certainly meant it. Where is that generation right now? They are just asleep.
Luke 8:52 New International Version (NIV)
Meanwhile, all the people were wailing and mourning for her. “Stop wailing,” Jesus said. “She is not dead but asleep.” (on Jarius daughter)
John 11:11 New International Version (NIV)
After he had said this, he went on to tell them, “Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep; but I am going there to wake him up.”
Acts 13:36 New International Version (NIV)
“Now when David had served God’s purpose in his own generation, he fell asleep; he was buried with his ancestors and his body decayed.
Faithofchristian
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Matt. 16:27-28 has nothing to do with the resurrection. There was no judgment or rewards given at the resurrection according to the bible, yet Matt. 16:27 mentions rewards given to each person according to what they have done. The other verses are also clearly specific prophecies about the rapture, which was supposed to occur within the first century. Again, read the entire chapters. They are in fact very similar to what can be found in much of the book of Revelation, particularly Luke 21 and Mark 13, whose language also mirrors that in Matthew 10. It all fits together. These were warnings that the apocalypse was imminent. And aside from these verses with specific timetables, the bible says numerous times that Jesus' second coming will occur "soon." Well, 2018 years later, it hasn't happened yet, and I'm not gonna hold my breath.
Since you made mention about the Rapture
There's one prophecy in the book of Revelation, that when this Prophecy happens then Christ Jesus returns.
Christ Jesus can not return until this last Prophecy happens first.
Therefore by the time the Rapture is to happen, the tribulation is over. So what good is the rapture going to do.
Seeing that Jesus can not return until the last Prophecy happens first.
Which brings about the return of Christ Jesus.
And brings the end of the tribulation
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Faithofchristian
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Is that all you got, to say I'm grasping for straws.
That in the book of Mark 13, Jesus gave what the Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is.
And when it will happen.
And who can commit it.
And this can be found in the book of Revelation.
You know Jesus said that no man knows the day and hour of his return.
Matthew 24:36
In the book of Revelation, Jesus didn't give the precise day and hour, But Jesus did give an Insight to what is happening in that day and hour just before he returns. Which is the last prophecy to happen that brings about the return of Christ Jesus.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
No. They’re dead. That’s what “asleep” euphemistically means in this context. You can’t torture figures of speech to make things fit your beliefs.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Doesn’t matter. The two books have nothing to do with each other. Two different authors, neither of which knew Jesus; two completely different types of literature; two completely different intended audiences; two different time frames and cultures. Your desire to see “connections” borders more on conspiracy theory than on an analysis of texts.
Faithofchristian
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You just proved my point
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
That you do not know how to interpret the Bible properly? I think that we already knew that.
If you could actually support your claims you would not find the need to answer enigmatically far too often.
MJFlores
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I did not torture figures of speech to make things fit in my beliefs. It was the Lord Jesus said and what he said I have to believe. Unless you are indirectly accusing the Lord Jesus Christ of lying?
What is written in the Bible, is read in the Bible and this is written.
Luke 8:51-53 New International Version (NIV)
When he arrived at the house of Jairus, he did not let anyone go in with him except Peter, John and James, and the child’s father and mother. Meanwhile, all the people were wailing and mourning for her. “Stop wailing,” Jesus said. “She is not dead but asleep.”
They laughed at him, knowing that she was dead.
Figure of speech? A lie by the Lord Jesus Christ? Or the Lord Jesus is just stating a fact?
Subduction Zone
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You do realize that no one had to "lie". The New Testament may be merely stories that grew over time. That is how myths arise quite often. Jesus did not write the Bible so everything in it about him may be wrong but yet that does not mean that he lied.I did not torture figures of speech to make things fit in my beliefs. It was the Lord Jesus said and what he said I have to believe. Unless you are indirectly accusing the Lord Jesus Christ of lying?
What is written in the Bible, is read in the Bible and this is written.
Luke 8:51-53 New International Version (NIV)
When he arrived at the house of Jairus, he did not let anyone go in with him except Peter, John and James, and the child’s father and mother. Meanwhile, all the people were wailing and mourning for her. “Stop wailing,” Jesus said. “She is not dead but asleep.”
They laughed at him, knowing that she was dead.
Figure of speech? A lie by the Lord Jesus Christ? Or the Lord Jesus is just stating a fact?
Perhaps you spend a little time working on your logic skills and less time on overly decorating your posts.
The Gospels were not even written by Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John. Those names were merely assigned to them in the second century CE.
MJFlores
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Didn't apply logic or interpretation just showed the verses. Enlarged those words which you missed. How about checking it out in another translation. What is written, is what I read, and is what I believe.
John 11:11-15 New International Version (NIV)
After he had said this, he went on to tell them, “Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep; but I am going there to wake him up.”
His disciples replied, “Lord, if he sleeps, he will get better.” Jesus had been speaking of his death, but his disciples thought he meant natural sleep.
So then he told them plainly, “Lazarus is dead, and for your sake I am glad I was not there, so that you may believe. But let us go to him.”
See those enlarged words, why the heck should I interpret those, if that is what the Lord Jesus said.
Subduction Zone
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It appears that you do not understand that Jesus did not write the Bible.Didn't apply logic or interpretation just showed the verses. Enlarged those words which you missed. How about checking it out in another translation. What is written, is what I read, and is what I believe.
John 11:11-15 New International Version (NIV)
After he had said this, he went on to tell them, “Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep; but I am going there to wake him up.”
His disciples replied, “Lord, if he sleeps, he will get better.” Jesus had been speaking of his death, but his disciples thought he meant natural sleep.
So then he told them plainly, “Lazarus is dead, and for your sake I am glad I was not there, so that you may believe. But let us go to him.”
See those enlarged words, why the heck should I interpret those, if that is what the Lord Jesus said.
Is this such a hard concept for you to understand?
MJFlores
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That is why the Lord Jesus Christ had disciples or apostles to write down what he said and done. It is like the boss and his secretaries.
John 14:26 New International Version (NIV)
But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.
2 Corinthians 1:13-14 New International Version (NIV)
For we do not write you anything you cannot read or understand. And I hope that, as you have understood us in part, you will come to understand fully that you can boast of us just as we will boast of you in the day of the Lord Jesus.
No interpretation needed here. Never did being fond of interpreting just enlarging those words people always and strangely missed.
Faithofchristian
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I'm just curious to know, When Jesus said in Matthew 24:34--"Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled"
What generation do you suppose that is
MJFlores
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The apostles and the early church of Christ.
Faithofchristian
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As to how do you come by that.
That's not the generation that Jesus is in reference to.
How is the apostles and the early church of Christ to see all these things in Matthew chapter 24 come to pass, When they are no longer alive.
The generation that Jesus is in reference to, is the generation that is alive to see all these things happening.
We are that generation that is seeing all these Prophecy's in Matthew 24 and Mark 13 and Luke 21 and the book of Revelation coming to be fulfilled.