Now that's logic that's hard to argue with...:yes:
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Failure of creationists/theists to undertand scientific theory & facts
- Thread starter gnostic
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True. Logic that's not logic is hard to argue with.
I would suggest that most Creationists/IDers are authoritarians. That is, they score high on psychological tests that reveal a person is more likely to follow an authority than think for him or herself. Authoritarians not only score high on such tests, but also demonstrate problems with thinking, when compared to the rest of us. In other words, most Creationists/IDers are folks who follow leaders rather than follow evidence, and who do not think as well as most people.
Their brains also tend to compartamentalize things and there does not seem to be a connection between two contradictions. It's actually quite interesting and explains so much of what we see and scratch our heads about when we can't understand how they can say incongruent things and not even notice!
It'd be better than some places. The Vatican actually has its own observatory and an Academy of Sciences, and the folks at the Vatican are usually sticklers for detail in anything they release to the public.
I wouldn't trust the Vatican's opinion on every matter of science, but I'd rank it higher than, say, the Discovery Channel as a disseminator of scientific knowledge.
rocketman
Out there...
I never suggested otherwise.
rocketman
Out there...
I said it would be voluntary. A single sentence advisory note in a preface that does not in any way specifically refer to anything in the book is hardly censorship in my opinion. But I respect yours.fantôme profane;1350106 said:
I just think it would help the image of science greatly if they let some of the spirit of the good accuracy controls of the peer reviewed world spill over into the broader populist opinionated world. That was the minimum solution I could come up with without interfering with the authors work. Of-course, not everyone reads the forward.......
Well the lowest you can get is 20 and the highes 180. He did claim that average for his 1st year psychology students that 75 was average and their parents scored about 90. His explanation for those scores was "not authoritorian followers in absolute terms". Other than that, I don't really know what that means.
Father Heathen
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Those "predictions" are hardly profound, as they're common, reoccurring things in history. Also, self fulfilling prophecies, prophecies "predicted" after the fact, etc. I can predict the sun will come up tomorrow, but that doesn't mean that I have divine revelation.
And you're getting redundant. You are not going to get anywhere by repeating something that was already refuted prior to your post.
Skeptic's Annotated Bible / Quran / Book of Mormon
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Average. You scored pretty much the same as most young people.
No I don't think he felt they were liars etc. I think he felt that a minority of people are high RWA's at least that is what I got from it. If you scored 75 is seems like you fall into the moderate range and from what I got from it that wasn't too authoritarian. At least that is what I took from it...
You certainly are in an exclusive group of thinkers, :clap , bravo, your vast knowledge, quick references and quotes from leading people in your field, bias facts and opinions about everything under the sun, but the question you'll have to ask yourself some day, or maybe not ask, but most certainly answer, is, "Did you really find the truth about life" Was the study of science and gaining such intellectual astuteness inwardly fulfilling and bring meaning, purpose, joy, peace, assurance, answers to those questions that science can't provide, or no emperical evidence can prove.
Could it be that you just find alot of answers about alot of things and miss the absolute truth.
But carry on, the irony of it all is amusing to watch, the arrogance of some people boasting in their vast level of intellect while elevating themselves so high above the rest.
....and if science where truly put to the test in yours or your peers life, be it physical, psychological, emotional,I'm pretty sure science would find this arrogance feeds some deficient character trait within you, no man is 100% whole through and through, but that's certainly not the impression you want to cast upon your peers, if the cat were ever out of the bag, heaven forbid.
The empowering factor of those who esteem such infinite wisdom and knowledge in themselves is enormous, but also an indication of some inferiority lurking nearby.
Sunstone"Those who live in glass houses should'nt cast stones."
Your words are piercing and intellect sharp, but are you really so sure of yourself, because there will come a day where you will close your eyes to this life and your vast array of insight, intellect, and sheer brilliance will matter not,
but only truth,..... in that it will prevail.
....do you also think this is a one of my delusions of grandeur?
Those "predictions" are hardly profound, as they're common, reoccurring things in history. Also, self fulfilling prophecies, prophecies "predicted" after the fact, etc. I can predict the sun will come up tomorrow, but that doesn't mean that I have divine revelation.
And you're getting redundant. You are not going to get anywhere by repeating something that was already refuted prior to your post.
Skeptic's Annotated Bible / Quran / Book of Mormon
It's certain you have never studied the fulfilled prophecies in scripture, I mean why would you ? therefore you would'nt know that these natural calamities Jesus spoke of, including wickedness abounding more and more were pointing to the generation of his return. It was'nt some random prophecy about something that has always happened, it preceeds his return and it was a hint for us to look up and prepare our souls, not our science.
...and if you look up some stats and graphs on the increase of these calamities in the last 100 years ,it's off the chart.
,,but of course it's a coincidence and an evolving world and we are getting better and better everyday...:no:
sandy whitelinger
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Okayyyy!:sarcastic
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
First off, roli, punctuation and spelling are your friends. It would foster better communication if you tried complete sentences.
I'd love to see these stats of yours. I'd bet you've never seen such stats and you're just blowing hot air to make your case sound better, but, please, prove me wrong.
Things are not getting worse. They're the same as they've always been. The biggest difference is that you hear about every little thing now. In today's world I know what's going on in Indonesia almost as well as I know what's going on in my own state. The other problem is that most of the news we hear is bad news because that's what they think people will respond to and tune in for.
The fact is that the bible's predictions are no better than me saying "In the future, there will be floods and great storms that kill millions of people, and some people will hurt other people". If I said that, you'd say "Well, duh", but since it's in the Bible, you give it more respect than it deserves.
I'd love to see these stats of yours. I'd bet you've never seen such stats and you're just blowing hot air to make your case sound better, but, please, prove me wrong.
Things are not getting worse. They're the same as they've always been. The biggest difference is that you hear about every little thing now. In today's world I know what's going on in Indonesia almost as well as I know what's going on in my own state. The other problem is that most of the news we hear is bad news because that's what they think people will respond to and tune in for.
The fact is that the bible's predictions are no better than me saying "In the future, there will be floods and great storms that kill millions of people, and some people will hurt other people". If I said that, you'd say "Well, duh", but since it's in the Bible, you give it more respect than it deserves.
Autodidact
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This is a weird thing that roli does repeatedly. When other posters post something intelligent, logical and based on facts, he derides them as if this was a sign of their supposed conceit, instead of the strength of their argument. It seems like the only tool he has left is to insinuate that he has some secret knowledge that will be revealed after death. Yes, roli, it's totally your delusion of grandeur.
Yes, I'm sure there are many things that science cannot tell us. However, there are also many things that it can, and truth is valuable.
Autodidact
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Really? Just to choose a random example, you're asserting there were more earthquakes in the last century than the previous? You have some source for this?
As for Jesus' (failed) prophecies:
(Mat 16:28 NIV) I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom."
That's a pretty big fail.
It's not a coincidence, it's false.
The YEC say the bible indicates in Genesis that there was a worldwide deluge that killed all the people on earth about 2400BC but people have been living in the Egypt nation from about 5000 BC down to today. Acording to the bible Egypt could only have been in existance either before the deluge or after the deluge but not both.